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hope's daughter · 09-19-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
For most Christians, God comes before any other human on earth, including your family.
I agree. That's one of the main things wrong with it. RBAC is turning a blind eye to this woman's problems merely so that he can say that Jesus is wonderful.
God will always be there, humans won't.
Humans exist, god does not. Humans might not be there sometimes but god is never there.
And if you cared so much for humanity, why aren't you out there giving every last bit of your pay check that isn't required to starving children? Lets face it, most of humanity doesn't give a crap about each other.
I do not hate humans as you are taught to do by your religion. I cause no one to suffer so that I might promote my institution as Christianity teaches you to do.
The rich are basking in their millions of dollars, buying the latest high-tec toys, while 3 year olds are dying from hunger.
Maybe they didn't pray hard enough because with Jesus this isn't supposed to happen. Or did you ever figure out if answering prayers made starving children robots or not? "Jesus does cure some things very simply and very easily with no meds, and without years of psychotherapy and hospitalization." Then a peanut butter and jelly sandwich should be no problem for him.

Biff you just found yourself a fan!
Sincerely,
hope's daughter

Just kidding Biff. Gotta keep the people on their toes.

oh BTW I am sure you are quite nice when they let you out of your cage.

Rational BAC · 09-19-2003, 07:21 PM

Looks like Biff might have won one. Oh phooey!!

Biff the unclean · 09-19-2003, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by hope's daughter
oh BTW I am sure you are quite nice when they let you out of your cage.

HD you are at an Infidel site. Most of us here don't share your beliefs.

When it is calimed that Jesus answers prayers in one breath but Jesus doesn't interfere in peoples lives because of free will in the next the belief looks pretty silly.

One Xian claims that Jesus but not Doctors will cure what ails you. The next Theists complains that three year olds are starving to death. It becomes very obvious that they are grasping at straws and contradict themselves in their claims of god.

It's certainly easy to do as none of these claims can be traced to Jesus. You can't observe Jesus to ascertain what his behavior is because there is no Jesus to observe

The purpose of these claims is to support the institution of Christianity. That they are not true, that they are insulting to and harmful to people is of no concern to the Theist making them. This demonstration of "Christian love" reveals nothing but cold hearted misanthrope

lunachick · 09-19-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Rational BAC
...Jesus can solve those problems as well or better than any half assed psychologist or social worker, who does not really give a crap and who has an AA degree or even a BA or even a Masters.

How do you know all these people don't care? That's a shitty thing to say. I don't know about America, but here we do not have enough of them, they are overworked and underpaid, and much needed - especially with regards to children at risk. I know a few social workers and they definitely care.

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All of them are just out to collect a paycheck you know.

Everyone needs a damned paycheck, RBAC! Without one, you don't get to eat. And if you earn enough to manage a little fun every now and again, then brilliant! You worked for it, you deserve it.

Oh, and as far as I can see, religion is worth some pretty huge bucks. Lots of money to be made in that one if you play your cards right.

As for Jesus solving mental health problems better than the professionals - that can be a very risky and harmful stance to take if you are talking about such illness as schizophrenia, for example.

hope's daughter · 09-19-2003, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Biff the unclean
HD you are at an Infidel site. Most of us here don't share your beliefs.

I don't know why not. Clue me in.

When it is claimed that Jesus answers prayers in one breath but Jesus doesn't interfere in peoples lives because of free will in the next the belief looks pretty silly.

Have I personally made this claim to you?

One Xian claims that Jesus but not Doctors will cure what ails you. The next Theists complains that three year olds are starving to death. It becomes very obvious that they are grasping at straws and contradict themselves in their claims of god.

How do you see this as a contradiction when Christ Himself makes the claim there will always be poor, suffering, evil et cetera...till the end. No one is contradicting Jesus.

It's certainly easy to do as none of these claims can be traced to Jesus. You can't observe Jesus to ascertain what his behavior is because there is no Jesus to observe

Well I just did. Your last claim is not true. I can read the Bible and know what He did first hand. Now if you do not believe Christ is God that is another matter all together.

The purpose of these claims is to support the institution of Christianity.

There is nothing wrong in that. Christianity is a good cause to support. You support your beliefs don't you? You support your beliefs by how you live. Well I support mine by how I live.

That they are not true, that they are insulting to and harmful to people is of no concern to the Theist making them.

Now this is just plain silliness and I know why you state it. You can find it in John's logos. It is quite simple really and I felt the way you did when I did not believe so I can empathize with your plight.

This demonstration of "Christian love" reveals nothing but cold hearted misanthrope

oh so that is why when I got out of the hospital I went and bought two trays of cookies, one for the emt's and the other for the police and delivered them and then I sent a plant to the psychiatrist who lied on the stand in the courtroom and then I sent a plant to the nurses, techs and secretaries and social worker who wronged me?

Magus55 · 09-19-2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
HD you are at an Infidel site. Most of us here don't share your beliefs.

When it is calimed that Jesus answers prayers in one breath but Jesus doesn't interfere in peoples lives because of free will in the next the belief looks pretty silly.

One Xian claims that Jesus but not Doctors will cure what ails you. The next Theists complains that three year olds are starving to death. It becomes very obvious that they are grasping at straws and contradict themselves in their claims of god.

It's certainly easy to do as none of these claims can be traced to Jesus. You can't observe Jesus to ascertain what his behavior is because there is no Jesus to observe

The purpose of these claims is to support the institution of Christianity. That they are not true, that they are insulting to and harmful to people is of no concern to the Theist making them. This demonstration of "Christian love" reveals nothing but cold hearted misanthrope

You may not share our views, but speaking from fact and saying God does not exist makes you look extremely arrogant and conceited ( who knows, maybe you like people thinking your know-it-all). Until you can prove God doesn't exist ( and since proving a negative is impossible - good luck), cut the arrogance.

Of course, since you know God doesn't exist, why are you even bringing up Jesus not answering prayers in your reply? I asked how you can care for humanity, yet sit back while thousands of rich people buy the latest gadget, while little children are starving to death. Sounds like atheists are just as selfish and greedy as the next person. Humanism must be some cover you use to make yourself sound important and pro -"Save the world" . Would abortion be humanistic too? Gotta think of the woman's rights you know. Can't have her fooling around with any guy she wants, and actually have to be responsible for the baby she created. That just wouldn't be right. A unborn baby isn't human after all right? No problem slaughtering it to avoid responsibility. Wow, you're right - humanism is the win!

hope's daughter · 09-19-2003, 11:54 PM

Just for the record...I have found some atheists to have more incommon with Christians than even some Christians and to be very good people. On the other hand I have found some atheists to be cruel and heartless and full of pride just like some Christians. I prefer to speak with an atheist who is honest about his or her religious bent than a dishonest Christian. Atleast you know where you stand. No matter what human beings are sinners and we should keep this in mind. I do ask for God's blesssing on all who is on this thread. This is normal practice for me.

Sincerely,
hope's daughter

winstonjen · 09-20-2003, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
For most Christians, God comes before any other human on earth, including your family. God will always be there, humans won't. And if you cared so much for humanity, why aren't you out there giving every last bit of your pay check that isn't required to starving children? Lets face it, most of humanity doesn't give a crap about each other. The rich are basking in their millions of dollars, buying the latest high-tec toys, while 3 year olds are dying from hunger.

If we did what you suggested, and donate everything to the needy, we ourselves would become the needy.

winstonjen · 09-20-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by hope's daughter
Just for the record...I have found some atheists to have more incommon with Christians than even some Christians and to be very good people. On the other hand I have found some atheists to be cruel and heartless and full of pride just like some Christians. I prefer to speak with an atheist who is honest about his or her religious bent than a dishonest Christian. Atleast you know where you stand. No matter what human beings are sinners and we should keep this in mind. I do ask for God's blesssing on all who is on this thread. This is normal practice for me.

Sincerely,
hope's daughter

You must be referring to the 'better to be an honest disbeliever than a dishonest believer' sermon. I actually agree with that viewpoint.

sakrilege · 09-20-2003, 04:49 AM

10 year old Lesley Ann Downey prayed, it was recorded on tape.

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Jurors listened to Lesley calling out for her mother and asking God to help her before she was killed.

Did god answer her prayers?

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The girl was sexually abused, tortured and forced to pose for pornographic photos.

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09-19-2003, 07:21 PM	#102
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	Looks like Biff might have won one. Oh phooey!!

09-19-2003, 11:25 PM	#105
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	Originally posted by Biff the unclean HD you are at an Infidel site. Most of us here don't share your beliefs. I don't know why not. Clue me in. When it is claimed that Jesus answers prayers in one breath but Jesus doesn't interfere in peoples lives because of free will in the next the belief looks pretty silly. Have I personally made this claim to you? One Xian claims that Jesus but not Doctors will cure what ails you. The next Theists complains that three year olds are starving to death. It becomes very obvious that they are grasping at straws and contradict themselves in their claims of god. How do you see this as a contradiction when Christ Himself makes the claim there will always be poor, suffering, evil et cetera...till the end. No one is contradicting Jesus. It's certainly easy to do as none of these claims can be traced to Jesus. You can't observe Jesus to ascertain what his behavior is because there is no Jesus to observe Well I just did. Your last claim is not true. I can read the Bible and know what He did first hand. Now if you do not believe Christ is God that is another matter all together. The purpose of these claims is to support the institution of Christianity. There is nothing wrong in that. Christianity is a good cause to support. You support your beliefs don't you? You support your beliefs by how you live. Well I support mine by how I live. That they are not true, that they are insulting to and harmful to people is of no concern to the Theist making them. Now this is just plain silliness and I know why you state it. You can find it in John's logos. It is quite simple really and I felt the way you did when I did not believe so I can empathize with your plight. This demonstration of "Christian love" reveals nothing but cold hearted misanthrope oh so that is why when I got out of the hospital I went and bought two trays of cookies, one for the emt's and the other for the police and delivered them and then I sent a plant to the psychiatrist who lied on the stand in the courtroom and then I sent a plant to the nurses, techs and secretaries and social worker who wronged me?

09-19-2003, 11:54 PM	#107
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	Just for the record...I have found some atheists to have more incommon with Christians than even some Christians and to be very good people. On the other hand I have found some atheists to be cruel and heartless and full of pride just like some Christians. I prefer to speak with an atheist who is honest about his or her religious bent than a dishonest Christian. Atleast you know where you stand. No matter what human beings are sinners and we should keep this in mind. I do ask for God's blesssing on all who is on this thread. This is normal practice for me. Sincerely, hope's daughter

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