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Old 08-02-2005, 01:40 PM   #11
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So the bible is not all the word of God?

Back to the Ascension, what studies of this have been done?

How can the bible be ALL the word of God when it was written by the hand of man.?

The trick is to filter man out.
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:51 PM   #12
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The ascension of Jesus is not irrelevant because without it Christians would have to deal with skeptics' claiming that even if Jesus did rise from the dead, he might have died again just like Lazarus did.

Forget what christians say or think.
Don't pick on them, they're confused.

Try seeking the real message of jesus.

He rose from the dead =before= he was crucified.
He got himself a first class spiritual awakening and passed it on to others. He also explained spiritual concepts.
He had to be crucified , he had to allow that to happen to him, or he would have faded into history with all the other faith healers wandering around back then.

The apostles probably hid his body, the body don't mean anything anyway. Then they built a religion around it, but at the core theres something true but its at the very core. A couple of layers out from Jesus and anyone ( not dogmatic) can see the core spirituality becomes a prey to religious manipulation.
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Old 08-03-2005, 07:56 AM   #13
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Forget what christians say or think.
Don't pick on them, they're confused.
It wouldn't matter if they were confused and stayed to themselves...it is that they are confused, don't realize they are confused and then become missionaries to try to confuse others as well. :huh:
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:59 PM   #14
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I guess nobody wants to defend the Ascension.....
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:29 PM   #15
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I guess nobody wants to defend the Ascension.....
Yes, Steven, and I am not surprised.
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