Answerer

Well, just take a good look at Albert's most recent post of western superiority (just above), I need not say more. I'm sorry that he failed your expectation.

Bull, the Chinese used it to fight the Mongols much eariler than your ancestor use it to colonize the world. You got to thank the Mongols or the so-called infidels of the East for carrying the technology to your world. And I almost forget that your pope almost scared to death when the infidels came to the doorstep of Europe.

Better than those Catholics who believed the Earth was flat for centuries until someone had to prove them wrong.

If mass chaos, brainwashing and slaughtering was dynamic and "reveled in difference", I will rather the East not have it.

:boohoo: :boohoo:


Oh I see, another egoistic justification for Man's superiority over nature. No wonder the environment is so heavily pollucted now in many Western nations.

Albert Cipriani

No, you do need to say more. What you've said is the verbal equivalent of a sneer. It hardly constitutes an argument.

In another thread in this forum I documented Catholics' knowledge of a round world in the first, seventh, eleventh, and thirteenth century. Must I spoon-feed that to you here? Don't you find this even a little bit embarrassing?

Uh, and your point is that Nature is superior to Man? What possible sense can I make of such a position? Do you mean that if it came down to Nature (whatever the hell that might mean to you) surviving or Man surviving, you could selflessly justify Man's extinction?

Try to construct an argument next time. These wild incoherent sneering assertions are at the very least boring and at the most aggrevating. -- Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic

Dean Anderson

Let's get rid of the sarcasm folks, shall we?

If not this thread may end up closed.

PEEDNAR

Dear Albert,

Oy, the things you say! If the reason the East isn't scientific is its rejection of Catholicism, then please describe the necessary causation between Catholicism and science?
Is it "Judeo-Christian Greco-Roman tradition"? What's that? Logical thinking? Syllogisms? Pedophile homosexuals? Hot, studly, pedophile, Greco-Roman homosexuals? I need specifics!


By the way you say, "The world's best kept secret is that Catholicism was the handmaiden of science." Your profile used to say, "The universal apostasy of the Catholic church is the world's best kept secret." A correlation maybe? just kidding.

--Sincerely,

Mike Rosoft

Is that why Pope Gregory introduced a new calendar that corrected all the errors of the Julian calendar via the revolutionary concept of leap years?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't leap years already exist in the Julian calendar? Didn't the Gregorian calendar only remove 3 leap years every 400 years (the last year of a century is not leap unless it is divisible by 400, e.g. the year 1900 wasn't leap but the year 2000 was) to make it a bit more accurate?

[Edited to add] Yes, of course. See Wikipedia: Julian calendar and Gregorian calendar.


Mike Rosoft

Lafcadio

This is an overreacting. The black days of Inquisition came much later in 15th-16th centuries once the abuses made the general rule. At is beginnings, very few of the trials lead to death, most lead to "easy" punishments like prayers, donations and such things, not to talk that were many cases where the accused one was found innocent.

I wonder what are the criteria for taking it as "greatest century". Can you share them? And if you remark the coincidence between this century and the flourishing of catholicism I understand that you exclude precolumbian, african and asian worlds.

One? I will stop upon a wonderful event of 13th century. I can give you many more but this one has a special meaning
1204. The catholic cruciats arrive in the christian city of Constantinopole and sacked the city and massacred the inhabitants.

Not always, not everywhere. Protecting the science or going against it it's common to many rulerships from history, and not strictly dependant to one's religion. Much of the ancient wisdom was kept by arabs but also by christians in their monasteries. Indeed in medieval christianity the wisdom was not for the vulg. Indeed the wisdom should not contradict the Scriptures. But if you were clever enough you would get away with that. The ideas that put Bruno to death were formulated in the nominalist school before him. But somehow those people got away with them and even more could wrote them in a form so we today are aware that they thought that.
Like when caliph Omar burned down the library of Alexandria because he thought that the only true words are those of Quran? Or like when muslim arabs tortured chinese prisoners to find out the secret of paper or gunpowder - I mean many were not even their inventions? You can rather say that muslims were one of the factors that pushed Europe in the first position in the leading race.
In fact this term coined after materialist thinking came en vogue. Much prejudice it sprung from here.

Mongols in fact brought little technology to the west. You may think of other turanic or maybe even turkic migrations.

Answerer

And yours as well. Pot kettle.


Whatever, I found certain link more credibile than your so-called "explanations".

Indeed, after looking at your responses in this thread so far. I do feel embarrassed for my much moderate catholics friends.

Go and find the verse "nature is superior to man" in my post, if you can't, it means then you just add words into my mouth. End of story........


Once again, a pot kettle statement. Nevertheless, you have just proven that I'm only wasting my time trying to reason with you.Besides, like what the moderators had said, I don't wish to derail the thread, so thats end of my reply to you. Go figure..........


Yeah, I know, I was refering to gunpower in my previous statement.

Albert Cipriani

Typical anti-religious legend:

The historical truth: http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/165.html

More unsupported sniping:

Setting the historical record straight:http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04352b.htm

Do you really want to make this a Google contest? Is that what our deepest held convictions come down to, who can factually trip the other up the most?

Frankly, I don’t give a rat’s ass if Copernicus was a priest or a canon lawyer. The only point in this matter is that this scientist’s entire education, livelihood, and every aspect of his life revolved around and was nurtured by Mother Church. Yet you claim the Church impeded science. Deal with that contradiction.

Your earlier post slid into sociological opinions, unworthy of a philosophical response from me. I’m here to exercise my higher reasoning powers, not sling statistics (which are nothing other than the secularist’s equivalent of the fundamentalist’s bible verses). – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic

TySixtus

So now you're saying the truth doesn't matter? It doesn't matter if we get our facts straight? :banghead: Sounds like a theist to me...

How about when, in 1616, the Catholic Church banned his teaching of Heliocentrcism, and the reading of De Revolutinibus? Or did you skip that part in my last post? So much for their 'support' of his scientific endeavors.


I didn't want a philiosopical annswer. I wanted a concrete one, which I didn't receive. And it's funny how, now that I proved you wrong about crime statistics and Mandatory Sentencing, the topic is below your intellectual level and you won't stoop to answer it. I wonder when numbers quoted from an unbiased source and used to support a factual claim became 'opinions'.


So you're of the mind that all stats are 'secularist tools' to deceive theists, I suppose? Fair enough. Next time you use a statistic to prove an argument, I'll be sure to post this link.

Ty

Dust

I know I'm late in the thread for this but...


... Oh...My...Gawd!