spin

A sadder and a wiser man,
He rose the morrow morn.

Anyway, why should he read Friedman? All he has to do is show single authorship, or at least explain those troublesome literary manifestations in such a way as to be safe from Occam's razor.

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Ah, but of course,

Answer came there none. . .


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Amlodhi

Wow, I just now read through this thread and you fellows have done an impressive job of setting the record straight.

I would only add, in response to Magus55's comment:

That's what everyone is trying to tell you Magus, they didn't give up Judaism. As James, speaking at the Jerusalem council, says:

Acts 21:20 ". . . Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe, and they are zealous for the law ."

It was only Paul that forsook Judaism in favor of his newfound visionary doctrine:

Acts 21:21 "And they are informed of thee (Paul), that thou teachest all the Jews. . . to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise children, neither to walk after the customs."

The subsequent gospel writings and later choice of canonization simply reflected the prevailing Pauline doctrine rather than the disciple's actual understanding of the original purpose of Jesus' mission.

Amlodhi

Doctor X

Spin:

'Twas brillig and the slivey toves. . . .

Exactly. He did not even have to argue for or against a J or P or D or E, I would have accepted him arguing against the concept of multi-authorship.

Mageth:

You might be interested in Lundemann's book--see above. I found it as a reference in one of those articles on child sacrifice--bedtime reading. What is interesting is I think he is still a Christian. Much of his beginning is dealing with the Protestant German traditions as practiced today. His comments on how theologians and scholars try to put parts of the story in a "priveledged space" unassailable by historical-critical study, reminds me of your reference to Spong.

--J.D.

Plognark

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For starters, there's a nice subtle bit of circular logic (or something close to it). You won't interpret the evidence in the way I think it says until you believe that my conculsion is true.

*pouring myself a jack and coke*

Mageth

Oh, joy - another damn book to add to my reading list! It keeps getting longer and longer...

Really, thanks; it sounds interesting. I might try to find it at the bookstore.

Free Thinkr

I'm sorry Magus, but I've got to ask: have you ever heard of David Koresh?

Mageth

Or Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard, for that matter.

spin

Well, what'll you do when you realise that he's just the smallest tiniest eenziest tip of a humongous iceberg? And magus55 can't help himself, otherwise he would have. It's not too many people who can come off drugs, especially when you live in a drug culture.

There's nothing wrong with jack, but you can't really appreciate him that way.


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Sparrow

Maybe it was a mass hallucination brought on by food poisoning after that loaves and fishes thing.

Or read Michael Moorcock's "Behold the Man" for yet another possible explanation.