whiskey the hedonist

I have to admit to being confused by all this talk about rebuilding Babylon. First, I'm not sure in what sense Saddam Hussein was attempting to rebuild Babylon. And second, I'm positive that Babylon was rebuilt in the early twentieth century by filmmaker D.W. Griffith as part of the set of Intolerance. This clearly falsifies the prophecy, which doesn't mention anything about Hollywood at all.

John A. Broussard

Did the actors speak Babylonian?

No?

Then Babylon wasn't rebuilt.

Lee has spent kilograms of bandwidth explaining what needs to be done to rebuild Babylon and Tyre and Somalia and various other locations. I'm sure he'll be happy to tell you in detail how, if the bible says something can't be rebuilt, it can't be rebuilt--no matter what.

whiskey the hedonist

But it doesn't say anything about the circumstances of rebuilding in the bible, just that it wouldn't be. But it was, clearly, and it was displayed in all its glory for the whole world to see. QED. Lee claims that Saddam was trying to rebuild Babylon, but he was speaking... Persian? What do they speak in Iraq?

lee_merrill

Hi everyone,

I agree! Maybe that would even turn out better than capitalism. But the point was that the removal of religion does not somehow remove the real roadblock to moral progress.

But their scientific focus was primarily on "social physics," so to speak, on rearranging the economic situation. So they were being quite consistent, the important science overrides the unimportant science, they were indeed dedicated scientists, only quite partial to their field, deeming it most important to solve the people problems before the mathematical ones.

The only trouble was, "Take from the rich and give to the poor" is not the same as the rich giving to the poor because they want to, they required the motion, without a way to supply the motive, and it didn't work.

Well, you can make as many prophecies out of this (according to your definition here) as you want! Babylon will not be rebuilt in the 18th century, Babylon will not be rebuilt in the 19th century, Babylon will not be rebuilt in the 20th century, and so on. Real, fine, solid prophecies, and all of them fulfilled.

I can also say "This is becoming more and more improbable to view this as only a guess"! Especially if people try and do what the prophecy says can't be done. You may try rebuilding Babylon, or Hazor (Jer. 49:33), if you wish.

Here is a link that describes this...

But a set of a town is not a town, are you saying they really rebuilt whole temples and houses, streets and the huge thick walls? It wasn't like a stage set? What, may I ask, happened to all those tremendous buildings?

It doesn't matter what language people speak there, rebuilding Babylon, reinhabiting it (both are said to be impossible in the prophecy), does not require a given language.

Regards,
Lee

P.S. They speak 23 languages in Iraq! Though the official language is Arabic (says "Operation World").

Dryhad

Yes, yes. Use as much common sense as you like. I aplaude you for it. However, one can't just waltz into someone else's house and start sweeping away their precious sand. Common sense must be discovered, not taught.

As far as I can tell, one couldn't. So what?

Which is not enough to demand that everyone else agree with you. I'm sorry.

And even then anyone who actually expects God to be standing on the pavement will have to be so off their rocker that they'll believe he's there regardless of whether he is or not. So you're stuck. But who cares? As long as it's not bothering you, religion doesn't matter. If it is bothering you, you don't need to prove a thing, and it's up to them. So you're set.

ELECTROGOD

Of course "god" wouldn't be standing on mere PAVEMENT, "he" would be standing on streets paved with gold bricks...in heaven...above.

whiskey the hedonist

Griffith's set was as close to ancient babylon as he could make it. His stated intention was to resurrect babylon. He build buildings, streets, city walls, temples. The city stretced over a quarter mile and dominated the skyline. It was inhabited by the crew and cast for months. It was very, very, expensive.

The key point, though, is the intention: Griffith fully intended to recreate babylon for the modern audience to see. His sincere desire, and the 140 foot tall walls and fifty foot tall columns, and the general depiction of the ancient rites and dances and worship of false idols, makes Griffith's babylon much more a "real" babylon than any modern muslim city could ever be.

I think, looking at the set and the movie itself, it is just impossible to claim that griffith did not rebuild babylon.

And look at the result of the work that Griffith pioneered in terms of feature films and narrative style! Isn't his legacy one that most christians are appalled by, the evil pit that is hollywood?

whiskey the hedonist

And also, it seems that Saddam DID rebuild babylon, and it was SUBSEQUENTLY destroyed. But none-the-less, it was rebuilt. Twice in 100 years!

John A. Broussard

Most people don't realize that the bible specifically prophesied that Babylon would not be rebuilt in the 18th Century A.D., nor in the 19th Century A.D.. nor in the 20th Century A.D.--making it a triple prophecy carried out to the letter each time.

Prophecies of that kind are very fulfilling.

John A. Broussard

How could it possibly have been rebuilt? Lee's interpretation of his bible states categorically that it will not be rebuilt.

What more proof do you want than that?

Buildings, pictures of people living there, Arabs putting up their tents. Poof! It all means nothing because the bible says Babylon will never be rebuilt.

The next thing you'll be saying is that Joshua didn't make the sun stand still.

Sheesh! Can't you believe your own eyes? It says right there in the bible!!!