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Atheeriraqi · 01-17-2009, 06:58 AM

Hi all
I think this post belongs here, if not, it may be moved to the right forum
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Saleh Al-Naami

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"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts." This was the religious opinion issued one week ago by Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank. In an article published by numerous religious Israeli newspapers two weeks ago and run by the liberal Haaretz on 26 March, Rosen asserted that there is evidence in the Torah to justify this stand. Rosen, an authority able to issue religious opinions for Jews, wrote that Palestinians are like the nation of Amalekites that attacked the Israelite tribes on their way to Jerusalem after they had fled from Egypt under the leadership of Moses. He wrote that the Lord sent down in the Torah a ruling that allowed the Jews to kill the Amalekites, and that this ruling is known in Jewish jurisprudence.

Rosen's article, which created a lot of noise in Israel, included the text of the ruling in the Torah: "Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys." Rosen adds that the Amalekites are not a particular race or religion, but rather all those who hate the Jews for religious or national motives. Rosen goes as far as saying that the "Amalekites will remain as long as there are Jews. In every age Amalekites will surface from other races to attack the Jews, and thus the war against them must be global." He urges application of the "Amalekites ruling" and says that the Jews must undertake to implement it in all eras because it is a "divine commandment".

Rosen does not hesitate to define the "Amalekites of this age" as the Palestinians. He writes, "those who kill students as they recite the Torah, and fire missiles on the city of Siderot, spread terror in the hearts of men and women. Those who dance over blood are the Amalekites, and we must respond with counter-hatred. We must uproot any trace of humanitarianism in dealing with them so that we emerge victorious."

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* Published in Egypt's AL AHRAM WEEKLY, April 10-16, 2008 issue.

Atheeriraqi · 01-17-2009, 07:00 AM

The source of the article:
http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2008/04/13/48244.html

Atheeriraqi · 01-17-2009, 09:05 AM

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OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, (PIC)--The association of rabbis for the people and land of Israel headed by extremist rabbi Dov Lior issued on Wednesday a religious ruling legitimizing the shelling of Palestinian civilian gatherings by IOF troops at the pretext of responding to the rocket attacks carried out by the Palestinians.

According to this ruling, the Torah permits the shelling and bombing of Palestinian rocket sources even if there are civilians living there and considers that the Israeli army must sometimes respond to the source of fire immediately without giving any advance warning to the Palestinian civilians.

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source: http://www.worldproutassembly.org/ar...st_rabbis.html

premjan · 01-17-2009, 10:04 AM

This is going to tip the Israeli Arabs over the fence.

Toto · 01-17-2009, 11:01 AM

This does not belong in this forum, but I will have to consult with the other mods before I inflict it on them move it.

Eldarion Lathria · 01-17-2009, 12:13 PM

Because God has determined upon a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question.

Eldarion Lathria

Sheshbazzar · 01-17-2009, 12:16 PM

Could we redeem it by focusing our discussion upon the intents and interpretation of the "justifying" verse?

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Originally Posted by Atheeriraqi

Rosen's article, which created a lot of noise in Israel, included the text of the ruling in the Torah:

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"Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys."

Is Rabbi Yisrael Rosen correct in interpreting this verse as the basis of stating that;

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"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts."

We are presented with his reasoning and arguments, does an investigation of the entirety of the contents of The TaNaKa actually support such a position and reasoning?

Roger Pearse · 01-17-2009, 12:22 PM

The OP looks like a rather unsavoury hate-post, dumped here by someone who didn't give a damn what this forum was for but wanted to demonise his enemies - a wide class which includes us too. I would suggest deletion.

SeekingKnowledge · 01-17-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eldarion Lathria

Because God has determined upon a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question.

Eldarion Lathria

What a loving, compassionate god he must be... LOL

Roger Pearse · 01-17-2009, 12:27 PM

Erm, and isn't it copyright?

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Atheeriraqi Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Europe Posts: 7	The source of the article: http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2008/04/13/48244.html

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