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lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1987

Now you're really asking for it:

"God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved." 1 Timothy 2:3-4

BUT

"God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned." 2 Thess. 2:11-12

Contradiction there :down:

"He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried." Numbers 6:3

BUT

"And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. ... His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. ... Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine ... the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now." John 3:2-10

Looks your you BOY Jesus broke a law in Numbers, and it seems the Lord drinks wine, violating his own statement in the OT. Explain that.

THERES MORE

"I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11

BUT

"And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins." Hebrews 10:11

Looks like your God can't make up his mind whether animal sacrifice makes him happy or not.

I have plenty more contradictions, but I think I've made my point. Your Holy Book is flawed and is contradictory unto itself

These aren't contradictions, but your misreadings. What is Holy is not flawed, but your misreadings are, which are unholy.

There is a difference between wine and strong drink.

Animal sacrifices were a temporary measure pointing to the eternal atonement of Christ.

God wants to save everyone, but not everyone wants to be saved.

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1987

Nietzsche had a mind, therefore he wasn't "mindless". I can play your game too

If he didn't have a mind, he would be dead, so that can't be the meaning of mindless. The difference between us is you are playing a game, when I never was.

mikey1987 · 03-11-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lvdyou

These aren't contradictions, but your misreadings. What is Holy is not flawed, but your misreadings are, which are unholy.

There is a difference between wine and strong drink.

Animal sacrifices were a temporary measure pointing to the eternal atonement of Christ.

God wants to save everyone, but not everyone wants to be saved.

i don't misread, sir. i directly quote. And wine is what most consider a strong drink. If alcohol does not constitute as strong drink, what does? Alcohol is a potent substance.

you also state my misreadings are unholy. you are suggesting that there is a proper reading to the bible? how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

mikey1987 · 03-11-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lvdyou

If he didn't have a mind, he would be dead, so that can't be the meaning of mindless. The difference between us is you are playing a game, when I never was.

Mindless: 1 a : marked by a lack of mind or consciousness

Merriam Webster Dictionary.

so you now have the authority to redfine words? If you didn't mean the definition of the world mindless, why did you use it?

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1987

100% facts? you've been already been shown its contradictory. The creation stories in the Bible are FALSE and have been proved incorrect by science. There are also 2 creation stories. One of them MUST be false! Have you not considered this? It was the first thing I LEARNED in religion 1 freshmen year of highschool! There are two creation stories. Which one do you believe in?

If you already think I am going to hell, why don't you just leave this place? You are wasting your time, and from what I can see you have anger towards people who share different beliefs as you. Is this some attempt to affirm yourself and make up for self-esteem you don't have?

What I have been shown is your misreadings. The creation event is not a story but a fact perfectly in agreement with science, or you could prove otherwise. All you have is your hostility then.

There is only one creation truth.

If you were to die this second you would be destined for hell. This is not cause enough for me to leave this forum. For what if you come to Christ?

Satan in your spirit is a false accuser accusing me of being angry when I have nothing but the fruit of the Spirit of love, joy and peace. Why does this offend you? Are you jealous, is that why you like to tell lies or think ill of others? Perhaps it is due to your low self-esteem. Let Christ correct these maladjustments in you by coming to the cross as a helpless sinner and receiving Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Only then will you have right esteem, and reduce your hate and jealousy. Only then will you be given a new spirit, so as to correct your thinking.

mikey1987 · 03-11-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lvdyou

What I have been shown is your misreadings. The creation event is not a story but a fact perfectly in agreement with science, or you could prove otherwise. All you have is your hostility then.

There is only one creation truth.

If you were to die this second you would be destined for hell. This is not cause enough for me to leave this forum. For what if you come to Christ?

Satan in your spirit is a false accuser accusing me of being angry when I have nothing but the fruit of the Spirit of love, joy and peace. Why does this offend you? Are you jealous, is that why you like to tell lies or think ill of others? Perhaps it is due to your low self-esteem. Let Christ correct these maladjustments in you by coming to the cross as a helpless sinner and receiving Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Only then will you have right esteem, and reduce your hate and jealousy. Only then will you be given a new spirit, so as to correct your thinking.

Fine, I'll go to hell if it's my own choice. You think I fear Hell? I feel bad for you if you accept god to avoid Hell. You USE god. You USE him for salvation, much like some women use rich old men for their money. God is not going to like this. You are his little servant ready to do anything you this this fictional being tells you to. You are no more than a slave to this idea you call God. I am free, you are a slave.

Why do you deserve heaven? All you do is call people here fools. Your founder condemns calling others fools.

And I have self esteem. So much self esteem that I do not waste time trying to harass Christians in their forums. So much self esteem I need not condemn others to Hell to feel assured about myself. So much self esteem that I trust myself to make choices. You put all of your trust in a 2000 year old superstition who most likely NEVER EXISTED.

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1987

Not true. You yourself have said that we have to ability to freely respond to god, hence free will.

make up your mind phony. You've contradicting yourself already in the third page of posting.

OSAS means once God gives you His life it is eternally, and within that new life is a choice renewed in Christ. So it is true.

Your idolatry of misread is selfish. Yes, you have let Satan control your will. The only way to come out of it is to choose Christ.

You are not phony, you really do want hell.

mikey1987 · 03-11-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lvdyou

OSAS means once God gives you His life it is eternally, and within that new life is a choice renewed in Christ. So it is true.

Your idolatry of misread is selfish. Yes, you have let Satan control your will. The only way to come out of it is to choose Christ.

You are not phony, you really do want hell.

you use god for salvation. you attempt to control him for your own desires.

you desire heaven. you attempt to move god in such a way, as a pawn, so as to suit your own needs. yet at the same time god moves you like his own pawn, to command 'his' desires, which are are really your own, masked, because you are ashamed to admit that your quest to find 'god' is really fueled out of selfishness and desire for immortallity

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1987

God doesn't happen all by himself either. some intellegent being was necessary to create god. Therefore, an intellegent being created god.

My god created your god which created nature.

Can you see how flawed your arguments truly?

MODS, I RESPECTFULLY PETITION FOR AN IP CHECK LINKING The Bible Thumper To lvdyou :angel:

I say who my God is, but you don't say who your god is. Coyness therefore is your god, but that is not a righteous attribute. Therefore, your god did not create my God. Do you see how flawed your arguments are?

MODS, I respectfully petition for an IP check linking this Bible basher to one of the mikey's Mikey 1987

sourdough · 03-11-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lvdyou

The creation event is not a story but a fact perfectly in agreement with science, or you could prove otherwise.

are you truly that dense to expect anyone here to believe such horseshit?
everything regarding the story of creation in the bible completely disagrees with every scientific fact and knowledge we have...
such as age of the earth,universe,and so on..
bilble is a book of fiction ..
heck read the contradictions yourself www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

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There is only one creation truth.

and it aint your buyBULL thats for sure!

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If you were to die this second you would be destined for hell.

prove hell exist,prove souls exist but first read this

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