Space Chef

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...peratemigrants

Rhea

AS an aside, I just wanted to share a thought while reading. If she's in a permanently chilled room, there's no need to shivver. Shivvering is for when you're surprised by the cold, it seems. Wearing a vest or sweater would make sense here. Or several layers. or a hat. Lots of people work outside all day every day. The shivvering thing was gratuitous.


That aside, it seems contradictory to hamper the "free market" prices of labor by legalizing the importation of cheaper workers than the market would otherwise bear. If the job is that hard and that yucky, the lack of imported labor would drive the wage up until someone will do it. (Don't garbage collectors make a wage more commensurate with their endurance?)


On the other other hand, some jobs will be done at a higher wage because the job has to be done. Others are jobs that will only be available if someone will do it for cheap. If not, the job goes away.

oneofshibumi

A person can shiver because of cold or because of something scary. When the body feels cold, your muscles begin to shiver to produce more warmth by burning more calories. Eventually, if the cold tempertures continue and your body tires, you will stop shivering. Usually, in extreme cold conditions, when your body tires from shivering, unconsciousness and death are immenent.

Trout

That's the theory but often not the practice. Not that simple

Rhea

Well, the article said shivering from the cold. To which I reply, "unless you were surpised that it was as cold today as it was yesterday, you can avoid feeling cold by wearing a sweater." And I maintain that the shivering part was gratuitous.


Sorry I wasn't clear. I was trying to show exactly that by discussing that while one might argue that all jobs should pay well, one would then be sacrificing all jobs that are only worth offering if they don't pay well. For example, if Walmart were forced to "pay well" for the greeters, there would be no greeters. So this job only exists if there is a market of people who either want something very casual or are willing to accept low wages for some other reason. On the other hand, if the pork slaughter house were forced to "pay well" for their third shift cleaners, they would pay well because it HAS to be done (presumably, by FDA code (violations are a separate discussion)).

So yes, I agree it's complex and one answer will not solve all job "issues". Most answers will help in one area and hurt in another.

J-D

Well, I don't know about that. What about the possibility that she doesn't have any warm clothes?

ZeusTKP

It's worse in Mexico. That's why they do it. If we were to close the border, they would be worse off.

This kind of stuff has allready been discussed many times...