Wayne Delia

I suppose that's where they got the cliche "Preaching to the Choir." It's a shame, since the target audience is supposed to be those who don't believe, not those who already believe. Blaming your audience because your presentation sounds like foolishness is a very bad public relations strategy.

WMD

Evilicious

How much time have you spent in Liberal Christian Churches that you would know what occurs in them?

Did Jesus spend his time among believers or among sinners? Did he try to make sinners uncomfortable?

Evilicious

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." ~Susan B. Anthony

Bible John

Jesus spent his time in street evangelism and you cant compare Street evangelism to the organized worship service. Jesus also drove out the money changers and those that were difiling the temple. I wish I can do likewise to the Liberal christians in their churches. But in doing such I would probably get arrested and told that I lack love and am not a minister.

People today focus so much on love that they miss out on the many attributes of God. One of these is Justice. People today think that love means tickling my ears.

2Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.








John

SaintCog

Are we playing the "copy and paste random Bible verses" game. cool!

"These men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only nine o'clock in the morning" (Acts 2.15).

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the worst argument ever devised.

Evilicious

Does that mean you're not going to waste any more of your time going to church and instead hang out with the lepers and prostitutes, like Jesus did?

Do you realize that Liberal Christians aren't money changers, like the story to which you refer? I think Tom DeLay might be a better example of a money changer--one of those Conservative Republican Christians.

So you DO see how you lack love? I haven't seen much love coming from you--just condemnation of people who aren't like you. Does it make you feel better and more righteous about yourself when you do that? Isn't Pride one of the Seven Deadly Sins?

You think Christians shouldn't focus on love? For someone who claims to be Christian, you seem to have missed Christ's message:

Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

And you're the judge, right?

Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

I wouldn't dream of tickling your ears. Trust me. *shudder*

Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?"

See? You're not the only one who knows how to prooftext.

I love you! You're so entertaining!

**smooch**

Mr. Neutron

I'm sure you've given them something else to chew on.

mongrel

Another is Evil.

(Sorry, couldn't help but capitalise "evil", since religious people seem to do the same to random words...)

Isaiah 45:7(KJV, not the newer, sanitised, versions), "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.".

Why would anyone who does not condone evil want to worship a "supreme" being who creates it?

This part is indeed true. Instead of sound doctrine, their itching ears want to hear that there is such a thing as a most powerful being with whom they can have a close personal relationship, and that he'll save them from himself, and that humans are in fact immortal. So they gather around them a great number of teachers. Otherwise known as preachers/priests/rabiis/imams/etc.

To my mind this means that many, if not most, people who believe in this nonsense simply have way-overstated senses of self-importance. They cannot bear the thought of their existence someday coming to an end. We see this all the time- people wanting to be remembered, or wanting to be famous, etc. So many people cannot handle the idea that we are all so insignificant in "the overall scheme of things".

Can anyone say, "ego"?

Thief of Time

So when it says, 'do not let the bible depart your mouths' it doesn't mean don't speak about the bible, it means don't not preach about it when given the oppurtunity?

Nice Squirrel

Excuse moi? How many "Liberal" Chucrches have you been to? Do you even know a thing about them or are you just blowing smoke out you ass? Have you ever worked in a Liberal church? Have you broke bread with them?

(Spoken as if the Last Supper was a street dance) How much money does you church give to the poor? Does your minister(s) drive a luxury car? How many houses have they built for homeless families with their own hands? How many meals do they personally serve to the smelly, disease ridden and (often) drunk underprivalidged members of the community? How much does your church give out to people who just come and ask for money, little or no questions asked? Please, you are welcome to come in and reinforce our opinion of conservative Christians as fools and simpletons scared of dying (no afterlife) or going to hell for lusting after the counter girl at Arbys. :banghead: You simply don't seem to get Christianity. Please come in and criticize our ways. You can look at the stained glass window with Jimmy Carter, John Paul II, and the Dali Lama in it. Although, I would doubt you would get it.

So God is not love, but a tempermantal baby? I don't get it. Isn't that to be left to God, and not to you. Why must you judge our ways and call them wrong? Sounds like you are not contemplating the glory of existence. And I suppose you think it means caring enough yo beat up a man and rob him blind for his own good so he can learn a lesson and be put in his place?

Are these teachers leading YOUR church?