Nialler

If it proves your point, please note that I have aged approximately 90 years while reading your posts.

deadman_932

ALERT THE NOBEL COMMITTEE!!!
Dave has discovered that :HALLELUJAH! Congratulations on this hitherto unknown and earth-shaking discovery, Dave.

Mike PSS

Did you read those papers or scan for keywords in the abstracts. If I took the time to read the papers would I come away with the same conclusions you do on this subject.

Dave, we're talking about ageing here, not the flood. There are many threads dedicated to disproving the Noachian Flood. You cannot make these wild fairy tale claims based upon no evidence. There was no flood, there was no "waters above" causing higher atmospheric pressure. There was no Rabbit Hole that Alice ran down either (although Rabbit Holes, like the atmosphere, do exist this in no way implies the above claims have merit).

Dave,
There is an active discussion at RD.net on this very subject. 108 pages so far of me showing how the model R.H.Brown proposes cannot have happened according to the starting conditions (flood, timing, carbon contents, etc.) that Brown supposes. I've shown this conclusively and you have agreed that R.H.Brown's model is lacking in detail and substance. We even had a phone conference with the man. And afterward you stated that you've abondoned R.H.Brown's description because Brown invokes invariant decay rates of C14 and doesn't like that RATE uses these. Brown also believes that there may have existed a lifeless earth and that creation week was God providing the push to life on an existing old rock. You didn't like that idea and decided to go with the RATE explanation and accellerated nuclear decay.

SO WHY DO YOU BELIEVE R.H.BROWN HERE AT IIDB???

At present I am awaiting any response from you regarding C14 testing equipment and testing methods on the C14 thread at RD.net.

No flood Dave. You can't invoke one here to support your argument about long ages.

Dave,
My mind was open a long time ago. That is why I can deconstruct your claims into factual, mythical, and whack. And from that deconstruction I can point out my support, neutrality, opposition, or ignorance about each of the claims.

The fact I'm being critical (and this word means detailed, not negative) should reveal that I'm being open.

Your typically the one saying "No, no, no.... If you can't see it this way then your blind!" Do you want me to get your quotes on this?

The Evil One

Firstly, Genesis 4:4.

Secondly, I know several vegetarians. None of them show any evidence of aging at anything other than the usual rate. Nor is the life expectancy of Hindu populations noticeably greater than anyone else.

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Regarding the latest spew of scientific citations that don't actually support your claims, I only want to give one example of your dodgy interpretation practices. You quote, in bold, a conclusion that human life expectancy has not hit a ceiling. You triumphantly conclude that this means it could easily go up to ~1000.

But this merely demonstrates your lack of logic. We would not expect life expectancy to hit a ceiling until it reached 115-120 ish, given the evidence shows this is what we are biologically potentially capable of. Nowhere in the world has it yet reached 80, so we've got quite a way to go before rises in life expectancy challenge the currently established consensus on the maximum human lifespan.

The Evil One

They only suggest that if for some bizarre reason you believed that all that vegetation was alive at the same time. And you would only believe that if you were completely ignorant of modern geology... or if you had a pre-existing religious commitment to the literal accuracy of the Genesis text.

It is generally considered bad form to assume one's conclusion.

I do agree, however, that a vastly increased air pressure would have an effect on human longevity. Being squished to crimson jam and then pressure-cooked would be a very notable effect on one's longevity.

Pappy Jack

In what way does the foregoing contribute "one scintilla of evidence" to the existence of human lifespans in the order of multiple centuries in the period 4000-2000 BCE?

Dave Hawkins

Mike PSS ... Wow ... what a spin job! The only thing you have accomplished on the thread you refer to is that R.H. Brown's curve shape may be wrong in the early portion soon after the Flood. I quit posting on that discussion because there is really no further data available to decide if you are correct or not. If you disagree, you may want to start a new C14 thread here, but I'm not interested in discussing C14 on this thread.

But you have never presented anything which in any way refutes Brown's discussion of pre-Flood biomass ... that's what I referred to in THIS thread. Please don't derail the topic. You can argue that there was no Flood if you like, but please argue elsewhere. I made my case here ... http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10675 and I invite you to begin a thread here which attempts to make a convincing case for a ...

Non-Flood Explanation for the Geological Record.

Have at it. Love to see it.

Lucretius

I like this bit from one of the research papers Afdave has posted here (My highlights )



So there you have it the Patriarchs in the Bible were obviously yeast or some other form of fungus perhaps mushrooms ,which as everyone knows have big heads, live in the dark and grow in .... well think you know the rest

Constant Mews

None, of course. Remember that Dave is not presenting an argument; Dave is preaching Christian "science". Science that he has admitted that he doesn't actually understand, by the way. I encourage anyone interested to read the Dawkins thread. Watching Dave's inability to set up a very basic spreadsheet is worth the trip.

Nialler

So come on, all you creationists! Put your minds in gear and set your imaginations free. Don't say "No, no, no ... we can't, we can't, we can't, because that old book tells us we can't and because that man in robes we see every weeks tells us that it's a sin to examine the evidence too closely" Start thinking like a evolutionist and saying "Imagine if ... Could it be? ... I wonder if ... What if we tried ..." and so on.

Who knows what wonders you might discover!