Keith&Co.

Maybe a video harmonization?
Print out each verse, paste it on felt. Then hang a blanket and position each piece of felt in order. If the different gospels refer to the same event, then pin strings between the various accounts and show they're the same.
If they're different events, move them around in chronological order.

Then be prepared to justify whether similar descriptions are different events, or differing descriptions are one event and why.
Be prepared to justify if you have to alter the sequential order of one gospel to chronologically match another.

It could probably be done in Excel, but the felt thing seems appropriate for story telling and myths...

sschlichter

referring back to the chart, it seems twice

1) Mar 16:5-8, Luk 24:3

2) just outside the tomb, after Peter and John Mat 28:9, Mar 16:9, Joh 20:16

the first visit; at least Mary M, Mary, mother of James, Joanna, Salome, and at least one other.

the second visit. Mary M and at least one other.

at least two both times, one to the right of the tomb and one to the left. (or the head and the foot- no way to know which was left and which was right). One seemed to be doing the talking.

they were expecting that the stone could be rolled away because they were unaware that it was sealed. It was moved by an angel prior to the first visit. They may or may not have witnessed it being moved, they may have just felt the earth shake and saw an angel after it was moved.

1st visit

angel says, don't be afraid;
angel says, I know you are looking for Jesus;
angel says, Why do you look for the living among the dead;
angel says, He is not here
angel says, He has been raised
angel says, remember how he told you that he would be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and raise again
angel says, go tell his disciples, even Peter
angel says, he is going ahead of you into Galilee
they may have said other things as well.

if the women said anything, it is not recorded.

2nd visit

Jesus said, Greetings, Mary
Mary said 'Rabbi'
They held his feet
He said Do not touch me, I have not ascended to my father
He said go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee. they will see me there
He said I am ascending to my father and your father, my god and your god

I am not real big on inerrancy, but I do not see that this exercise is particularly problematic for those that are. The obfuscation that I am referring to is on the part of those requesting extra-biblical narrative to cloud things up.

angelo

You don't see I'm using nicknames??

angelo

No serious historian takes that passage in Josephus as actually written by him. It is a later forgery by the early xtians who could no accept that such a huge work of history makes no mention of their hero.
Tacitus [55-117ce] who wrote in the early second century which is more than 50 years after the supposed events is not reading actual Roman history
but quoting hearsay imformation from his own day.

Iasion

Greetings,

Pardon me angelo, a thousand is a bit high.

I have listed the early writers here :
http://members.iinet.net.au/~desmode...lyWriters.html

In short, it boils down to less than 20 writers contemporary to the alleged Jesus.

Of those, a very small handful could reasonably be expected to have mentioned Jesus -


Philo was a direct contemporary, and clearly should have mentioned the alleged Jesus (he wrote at length on various related subjects.)

Seneca was a younger contemporary and could have mentioned the alleged Jesus.

Justus was just after Jesus and could have been expected to mention him considering his subject.

Plutarch came just after that and possibly could have mentioned the alleged Jesus.

Along with those, there are less than a dozen other writers, roughly contemporary, who could conceivably have mentioned Jesus in passing but didn't.

All in all, the silence of contemporary writers is a relevant fact, but no slam-dunk.


Iasion

Iasion

Greetings,

Yes !
That makes it clear.

That's what we want to see - every verse from all 4 gospels resurrection accounts re-arranged into one coherent narrative.

It has never been done.
Because it cannot be.


Iasion

xaxxat

Cool idea. Have all 4 streams playing simultaneously...

dr lazer blast

Since amaleq has not provided a valid reason why my narrative is implausible. He just baselessy asserted it was implausible. The past reasons he stated why it was implausible were already corrected and taken care of. I am reposting it for any other people that would like to criticize it according to the rules of the challenge.

Mary magdelana Mary mother of James, and Salome went to the tomb to anoint Christ with spices. Saw the guards and the rock, asked who is going to move the tomb. Angel comes down starts the earthquake gets off the rock goes into the tomb, after the earthquake they look and see the guards were dead and the rock is moved. They go in the tomb, 2 angels and no remains of Jesus. One of the 2 angels (Mark only said A man because only one of the 2 angels spoke) talked telling them that Jesus had risen from the dead telling them that He was not in the tomb and they should go and tell the disciples and that Jesus will go before them into Galilee after the meeting in Jerusalem. The 3 women separate mary magdelna going to find Peter and the other disciple, and the other 2 women going to get the rest. Mary finds Peter tells peter that she doesn't know where they put Jesus's body, peter and the other disciple run to the tomb, see the empty cloth and linen, go back home. Mary stays at the tomb and cries, sees 2 angels, sees Jesus first, then runs to the disciples house. The other 2 women go to tell the other disciples, meet the 2 men described in Luke, tell the 2 men about the angel, then they leave and Jesus appears to Mary mother of James and Salome. All the women arrive at the house at about roughly the same time, and tell their stories with mary magdelene telling the story of how peter got up and went to the tomb, and the 2 men described in luke come in afterwards (they had seen Jesus a little bit after the women left them).
Jesus then appeared to everyone in that room, then appeared to thomas, thereby showing himself to the 12 and the apostles, He breathed the Holy Ghost on them. The disciples left Jerusalem. Jesus appeared to Cephas, then at the head of 500, to James separately, Jesus then went before them to galilee and waited. The disciples and the apostles arrived at Galilee and saw Jesus there. Jesus talked to them giving them the promise that the Holy Ghost would be upon them soon, Then Jesus ascended to heaven. Then later Jesus appeared to paul.

I'd also like to point out that a video harmonization is not required in the rules of the baker challenge, since that's what this thread is about.

Amaleq13

Why bother posting falsehoods that can be easily (albeit painfully) revealed as such by simply reviewing the thread? :huh:

You've yet to show that you even understand the identified implausibility or the argument put forth to establish it, let alone shown yourself capable of refuting it.

As it still contains the identified implausibility, there is no need for anyone to suggest another. Your failure to respond coherently to this one should be sufficient to establish you have no intention of making a genuine effort to meet the challenge.

As long as you have Mary's initial reaction to the empty tomb (John 20) taking place after she receives the angelic message, your effort fails the challenge. :wave:

Doug Shaver

In other words, it is not possible to rewrite the narrative coherently without changing some detail in the scriptural version, thus demonstrating that the scriptural version cannot be inerrant.

Yes, the challenge is intended to prove that. And it seems to have succeeded.