Chili

Not at all. It makes us two of a kind with saints in heaven who would never even try to discredit each other but instead have a great respect for each other.

Those you are thinking of would call themselves Christian and we regard them as heretics.

And please note that I never called Jesus non-Jewish but that his faith caused him to become the Messiah who later was called Christ and that to become Christ he had to be set free from faith and doubt through understanding. This will never make him a Catholic, or a heathen or a pagan but just a Jew who had exhausted his own faith.

Gawen

Well Chili...you certainly have me stymied...*scratchin me head*...I sure would like you to back up these thoughts/beliefs with some sort of scripture...or something.

Bright Life

<...crickets chirping...>

Chili

. . . and I don't want to make this a dirty smear campain but Luther and Hitler were two of a kind in that they were both Catholics that had been duped when reading the bible. Both were charismatic 'christians' that had seen the light but failed to heed the warning that no one shall see the face of God and live; meaning to say that only a complete Beatific Vision will get you eternal life and not just a dazzling quick peak behind the Green Wall that inevitably will send you searching for the enemy outside of your own mind.

I know that you don't understand that but that's how I see it.

Bright Life

Ehem...<cough>...still waiting...

BL

Chili

So what would you like to see explained?

Bright Life

Explained? Nothing. You said all of this was in the bible. So, you could start your documentation with the OP, if you like.

BL

Chili

The recorded genealogy of Jesus is given in Matt. and the inspired genealogy is given in Luke so it is easy to conclude that Jesus was a Jew, except that in Luke it says that it was supposed that Jesus was to son of Joseph to include the possibility that Jesus was the reborn Joseph.

Notice that this genealogy was given just after Jesus said "the father and I are one" which is why the dove descended because the HS is redundant from that moment on. Notice also that the temptation in the desert followed that event which came about because Jesus was entertained by his lineage at the royal banquet that took place in his subconscious mind wherefore his conscious mind was like a desert wherein Jesus could see an abundance of wealth accumilating with the supernatural powers that had just been given to him.

So I'll accept that Jesus was a Jew as Jesus the Jew but not as Jesus-son-of-man which was the identity that needed to increase as Jesus-the-Jew had to decrease and finally be crucified to die in effort to set Jesus-son-of-man free under the name of Bar-abbas (to which consent was given by both Pilate (of the conscious mind) and Herod (of the subconscious mind)) to make it an effortless divine comedy.

. . . I love the Jews for their religion as I do the Catholics but you just cannot get into heaven as Jew or as Catholic.

Bright Life

Chapter and verse, please. I've read the gospels, and didn't interpret it as such.

Let's just start with the first part, shall we? Chapter and verse that states that Jesus is the reborn Joseph.

BL

Chili

In one line? When the Magi appeared only Mary and Jesus were present. Note that the shepherds saw Joseph, Mary and Jesus (and don't say that Joseph may have been out to take a piss when the Magi arrived).

I'll not go into the implications of this because I would have to keep explaining my explantions and that would be like going backwards.

I think we're finished if you are looking for scriptures like that but have you ever wondered why Joseph went to his hometown to give an account of himself? Do you think maybe he was pregnant with despair? or do you think that he had to be counted as an ex resident there? or maybe pay his taxes there?