Loren Pechtel

I didn't make it multiple choice because it's a continuum. I can't see someone picking a higher option and not a lower one except possibly the mental threat one.

Loren Pechtel

Some can be picked up, not all. And it's not her fault if the doctors miss it.

I would say that when it comes to severe birth defects it should be based on when it's picked up.

Krosis

Actually.. they do.

I have a friend who just found out she's 7 mos Pregnant.. I haven't gotten the full story from her.. I know she's got alot of medical issues so that's probably part of it. She just sent out a mass email to her group of friends w/ the announcement..

She's going to have it.. but it's going to be touch and go both for her and the baby.

-A

Matt the Medic

Well I'll be damned. I've heard of incredibly obese people not realizing they were pregnant before, but such thing is a rarity that regularly makes the odd news reel.

Matt

Loren Pechtel

Some time ago on here there was someone who had cancer. The pregnancy was only picked up when someone finally noticed the positive pregnancy test in the file (it had been done before chemo was started, somehow nobody saw the result.) IIRC it was something like 6 months along when the discovery was made. Of course it was aborted.

For a normal, healthy woman with regular periods it's not going to happen but someone with medical issues might not see the symptoms. There also have been athletes that didn't notice it until it started to show as their periods were irregular enough anyway.

Marc Higbie

I knew a girl in college who was 20 when she got pregnant, average build, found out when she called 911 in labor and the paramedics told her.

Marc

Matt the Medic

There are so many physical and emotional changes that one goes through over the course of nearly ten months, so for someone of 'average' build who I'm assuming to be free of any other serious medical conditions, I can't imagine what that person would possibly think is happening over that span. I'm at a loss as to how a person could be that out of touch about their body. But still, assuming you don't find out until labor, does that justify infanticide?

Matt

Rhea

The fact that YOU can't imagine it, is irrelevant. Utterly.

You've been told it happens. There you have it. Don't you think?

I know of, I dunno, half a dozen women who didn't know until delivery. Another score who didn't know until after 5 months. These are not stories of strangers, they are personal acquaintences or their immediate fmailies.

Can't you just accept the facts that it happens?

In addition, it also happens that people can't raise the money immediately.

What motivates someone to "lazily" stay pregnant when they don't want to be? So their food bill can go up? because they like peeing at 2am (and 4 am and 6am)? So their sciatica can flare? So their blood sugar can skyrocket?

Why *DO* you think people stay pregnant when they don't want to be pregnat - and how often do you think this happens, and what data leads you to believe this frequency?

Matt the Medic

Hi Rhea, how is your day going?

I don't believe I ever refused to accept it. It's quite clear that it happens, though I imagine it is incredibly rare in the scheme of things.


I don't believe I stated people stay pregnant when they don't want to be.

My sole point is that as the limit of viability is ~24 weeks, abortion at 24 weeks or later is, for me, morally equivalent to infanticide. If you wish to discuss whether or not infanticide is ever justifiable, thats fine, but we should probably move to a new thread.

Have a good evening,

Matt

gilraen

I'm a woman and a mother, and I have *never* been able to understand how a woman at 7 months couldn't feel the baby kicking!!??? Sure, up to about 4-5 month or so, you might not know if your periods are irregular. but once that baby starts moving, there's nothing else like it. Plus breast changes....

I just don't buy it.....