aa5874

1. You cannot argue successfully that Jesus wrote nothing therefore he is likely to have existed when all things considered non-existing cannot write anything.
   
   It was inherently PREDICTED that there would be NO writings found authored by Jesus.
   
   And further, in the NT, Jesus was described as some kind of God Incarnate, the Child of a Holy Ghost and Creator. Now, the Father of Jesus in the NT, the God of the Jews, did NOT write anything either.
   
   
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   Originally Posted by ApostateAbe .....If it is argued that the reputed myths are more important than the historical facts, then it is true that Jesus never reputedly wrote anything. However, the Prophet Moroni, before becoming the Angel Moroni, reputedly wrote Mormon 8-9, Ether 12, and Moroni 1-6 and 10, according to the Maxwell Institute of BYU (Mormon and Moroni as Authors and Abridgers)......

   
   Once there is NO credible evidence of Jesus and his writings then claims about Jesus are extremely difficult to support.
   
   
   
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   Originally Posted by ApostateAbe ... Negative points of similarity are not nearly as significant as positive points of similarity. We typically do NOT and should not categorize ancient historical figures based on what they did NOT do, because we have little knowledge of what they did not do. Unless the ancient sources are explicit about what a figure did not do, then the most significant characteristics rest in what a figure did do, positively, because that is where we have our facts (if only facts concerning the myths), and the positive points more typically define the character, not the negative points.

Well, please tell us what YOUR Jesus did ACTUALLY do.

Please state the so-called positive points for Jesus.

ApostateAbe

Gospel of Abe.

Atheos

I was unaware that Moroni was credited with having written a portion of the book of Mormon. However, I'd like to suggest that my point was not a negative one. The "not writing" was a point of similarity between Jesus and Moroni, not an argument to the non-existence of either one. I get the impression you mis-interpreted the intent of my earlier post.

This topic is about which of the two characters (Moroni or Joseph Smith) Jesus was most like. In my opinion Jesus seems more like Moroni than Smith for the reasons I enumerated above. For purposes of the discussion I'm assuming all three actually exist.

aa5874

The Gospel of Abe is just an UNSUBSTANTIATED worthless story based on your OWN imagination using UNRELIABLE sources.

You KNOW that in the NT Gospels Jesus was described as the Child of the Holy Ghost, the Word that was God and was the Creator of heaven and earth.

Why have you ALTERED and MANIPULATED the Jesus story and have made FALSE claims about Jesus and the disciples that are NOT found anywhere in ALL EXTANT sources of antiquity.

You are an INVENTOR.

I do not deal with INVENTIONS.

I deal with written sources of antiquity.

Jesus was NOT like Joseph Smith but was the Child of a Holy Ghost. See Matthew 1.18 and Luke 1.35

Why can't you ACCEPT the written evidence from antiquity and have to resort to unsubstantiated "EXPLANATIONS".

Jesus Christ was NOT like Joseph Smith. Jesus Christ was the Creator of heaven and earth. See John 1.

ApostateAbe

I did not misunderstand, in this case, actually, but I was a little misleading. "Not writing" or not anything is a negative point of similarity, and that is not central to the way we make useful historical descriptions, though it may be secondary. When almost everyone of the same time period did not do the same thing, then the irrelevance is magnified, in my opinion.

aa5874

It is not necessary to assume that all three actually exist since one may conclude that Jesus is more like Moroni PRECISELY because BOTH did NOT exist but Joseph Smith did.

In the Mormon Bible and the writings of Joseph Smith the character Moroni is called an angel and Jesus is the very God.

Only Joseph Smith was a real documented person.

Jesus is more like Moroni. They are both undocumented historically and are Myths.