Goliath

I've read the bible (albeit a long time ago), and I read what you wrote, spin.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Edited to ask: Why the condescension?

spin

Your attitude to the bible and your comments on what I wrote don't seem very convincing. You show little interest in the language you use, the images which are used in contemporary society, and little desire to understand the wealth of content in this relatively small collection of literature, which you palm off with so-whats. You showed no attempt to understand what I meant when I mentioned that it would help clarify "why Jews are discriminated against in our societies", dropping into lines about "crackpot" this or that.

So, forgive me if I don't believe you. You evince the sort of lack of insight that a person who was forced to study litricher at school (and rebelled) maintains for anything vaguely literary.


spin

Goliath

Then that is your misconception and your problem. I have no idea where you got such an idea. The bible wasn't originally written in English, remember?

Again, you assert that such content exists. I've read the bible, and I didn't find anything worthwhile whatsoever that wasn't already available other places.

I indeed did attempt to understand what you were trying to say. However, I don't see a connection between a text written by a bunch of ancient, cowering sheep-herders and modern anti-semitism.

Are you always this presumptuous about the childhoods of people that you know nothing about?

Sincerely,

Goliath

Johann_Kaspar

No! Crap is what people are doing with it. It is very interesting as an historical document.

Kosh

I'm afraid that Answerer is correct.

The bible came from the Jews. And as everybody knows:

'If it's not Scottish, it's Crrrrrrrrrrap!'

spin

This doesn't stop expressions and images coming into the language through translations, as it surely has in this case. I can only judge your interest in the language by what you display through it. Your rejection of the influence of the bible on our language as "not particularly worthwhile or interesting" doesn't seem to be perspicacious.

You are neither ready nor open to read the text, which you admit to having "(albeit a long time ago)". Are you unchanging and unwilling to give it another read given the extra experience you now have since you last read it? Does someone have to convince you against your will that you should read it?

Looking past your previous trivialising comments, you should read the way the xian books deal with the Jews, who are portrayed as rejecting the xian messiah and ultimately being resposible for his death, having Jesus' blood on their hands. . .

I made no presumptions, but I'd guess you continued not to read what was written to you. I simply used a clearly indicated literary device.


spin

Postcard73

I split this discussion out of this thread. Please remember to keep it civil folks.

Scott (Postcard73)
BC&H Moderator

Goliath

Since we're communicating in English right now, it would stand to reason that I have an interest in the English language, wouldn't you say?

Whether you think I'm a dimwit for not believing that the bible is worthwhile is irrelevant. The fact remains that you have yet to point out one thing that is worthwhile to me that I can take away from the bible and not readily get anywhere else.

Wrong, and wrong. I have been ready to read the text since I did so about 14 years ago, and if I wasn't open to reading it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Unchanging? No. Unwilling? Yes, at the moment, but only because I am very busy.

Remember that you were the one who started this tangent with an assertion (any nonbeliever can find something worthwhile from the bible). If I didn't know better, I'd swear that you're trying to shiftily push the burden of proof onto me.

Fair enough, I guess there is a connection between the bible and modern anti-semitism. But why is this connection any more relevant or meaningful than the modern-day causes of modern-day anti-semitism?

Then did I misread you, or are you a liar?

A ridiculous assertion, as if it were true, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Godless Wonder

I'm with Goliath. Religion is crap. Christianity is a religion, and is crap. The Bible contains the main writings of Christianity, the Bible is crap.

By "crap", I mean, it's main thesis consists of assertions of the truth of statements which are not true.. Its main thesis is a lie. It is crap, every bit as much as the book of Mormon is crap, and as much as the Scientology writings of L. Ron Hubbard are crap.

Thugpreacha

Here are several gems of wisdom found only in the Bible:

Prov 10:8=The wise in heart accept commands,
but a chattering fool comes to ruin.

Luke 10:16

16 "He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
(from New International Version)