avi

No, GD, I cannot think of any reason, good or bad, why Dave does not signal which reference in particular sustains the "crucified Horus" suggestion. I hope he will. I am asking him to please accommodate your request, which strikes me, at least, as very reasonable.

If Dave wishes to criticize me, for not carefully reading AS' article, to locate the reference by myself, I plead GUILTY as charged....

Notwithstanding my own incompetence, Dave, can you please assist us, and move this thread forward, by accommodating G'Dan's request?

Thank you.
avi

lpetrich

I checked on AS's list of sources, and it seems to me that she's grotesquely overstating the importance of astronomical motifs. She ought to bear in mind that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

GakuseiDon

Thanks for that, avi.

JoeWallack

JW:
This post is not for Dave31 but for anyone who is wondering what AS' basis was for writing:

The Nativity Scene of Amenhotep III at Luxor

JW:
First of all, to put this charge in perspective, despite having written entire books dealing with the subject, AS did not know that there was any text associated with the Scenes, had no knowledge of the scene she claims Dr. Carrier confused and did not know of the comparable Hatshepsut scenes until she read Dr. Carrier's article which he wrote after receiving Brunner's book from me and skimming it.

AS' evidence that Dr. Carrier confused Brunner's translation of Hatshepsut's scene "D", with the related scene at Luxor "L", is as follows:

AS confesses that Brunner's translation of L here is:

She than notes that the difference between L and D here is:

So in summary AS confesses that L and D both have (based on her less sexual translations):

1) "He went immediately to her"

2) "he was passionately in love with her"

3) "he let her see him in his Godliness"

4) "he had come in front of her"

5) "she rejoiced at the sight of his perfection"

6) "his love (it) went into her body"

7) "The palace was flooded with God-scent"

and that the overall context are the circumstances of Amenhotep's conception and birth and an accompanying picture that most commentators have described as Amun and the mother on a bed.

Even though she accepts that D is also a source for the Christian infancy narratives and most commentators consider it a source for L, because D also has:

1) "he gave his heart to her"

2) "she kissed him"

which is exactly the mushee stuff we'd expect for a female, AS concludes that Dr. Carrier's source for his conclusion of a sexual encounter here must be D and can not be L.

As for Dave31, in contrast to his accusations of dishonesty of others, I do not think that dishonesty is the source of his problems here.



Josephut

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JoeWallack

JW:
I'll add to my previous post that while AS has not provided any specific quote of Dr. Carrier which could only be found in Brunner's IV D (as opposed to IV L), AS does quote Dr. Carrier as follows:

The Nativity Scene of Amenhotep III at Luxor

which could only be found in Brunner's IV L since "son" and "Amenophis" refer to Amenhotep III and could not refer to IV D which refers to the female Hatshepsut.



Joseph

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