Jedi Mind Trick

You know...
You don't know anything about what I am thinking.

All those "illegitimate" questions are quite valid. But you have no answers for them. Why is that?

Let us talk about those passages you quoted of Jesus telling his disciples that he chooses to hide by parable the meaning from the many such that they cannot repent and be saved.
How is this consistent with a god whose will is that none should perish?
How is this consistent with any concept of free will or “decisionism� since these secrets are actively withheld from some and revealed to others?
How can your god deliver to unending hell people he actively held the truth from?

It doesn’t say that he withheld from those who already rejected him. In fact the context is more readily explained that the disciples were the only ones to whom the secret was revealed and the masses that followed Jesus were refused this secret knowledge. Remember, he was preaching to Jews not gentiles, you implied the opposite.

Jedi Mind Trick

How does it benefit us that the majority should burn in unending hell without any chance of reprieve? Why does your god sacrifice the majority so that he can have only a very very few "saints?" What does your god need?

Or are these illegitimate questions blowing hot air?

Jedi Mind Trick

Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.

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Jedi Mind Trick

My apologies...

Follower of Christ

Very good.
Now tie that into what I presented PRECISELY as written, and you can start to see the picture.
Jesus came to His own.
They didnt receive him but had Him crucified.
He admitted Himself that His parables were not meant to be understood by any but the the Ones HE chose to reveal things to.

Follower of Christ

Youve lost me.
What else to do I have to defend with except the bible?
If the questions pertain to what is shown in the bible, then wouldnt the answers come from the bible?

Its going to be pretty hard to discuss bible criticism and/or history without presenting what was taught.
Unless of course this arguement is only to be one sided

Follower of Christ

This is where I get confused.

You supposedly dont believe in heaven or hell ( I assume) then why the nasty little red face?
I dont believe in Santa, and Im sure not going to get upset if he leaves me off his list (since it doesnt exist).

I havent tried to convert you.
I havent preached hell at you.
All Ive done is try to present what was taught in a effort to answer the OP.
Which Im beginning to believe shouldnt be on this forum anyway, since evidently Im ''preaching'' at every point where scripture comes into the picture.

Let me say this a plainly and clearly as I possibly can for everyone and especially the mods here.
I do NOT preach.......I do NOT convert.
If you folks dont want Christ, thats not my problem.
In this thread, I was only trying to answer the OPs seeming assertion that Jesus and Paul may not be teaching the same thing.

If this is going to be an issue here on this site as well where I try to anwer a question, then have to dodge around in giving an anwer to keep a mod from using the rules to stifle my answer, please let me know NOW so I dont waste any more time on II.........

thanks
william

Jedi Mind Trick

Yes, and very good to you as well, now connect that with the fact that he chose not to reveal to the majority such that they COULD NOT repent and be saved. And that, this would end in their eternal damnation by no CHOICE of their own.
How does this jibe with free will?
What does your god need that he should visit ET upon the majority of his creatures?
Why aren’t you preaching and converting peeps if you really believe this?

Add that they crucified him and that Judas betrayed him all according to either a predestined plan or with complete foreknowledge and you will begin to see that this god of yours requires so many to perish, contradicting his will that none should perish, so that his plan can be accomplished, which apparently is that the majority should perish.
Don't you find this the least bit confusing??? :huh:

Not to mention that he allegedly put us in a situation whereby we are to believe that he is a big hero for sacrificing himself to save us from himself. And this is to be so impressive that the saved will sing glorious praises through all eternity? Why?

Follower of Christ

I told you........Jesus had a mission.
The Jews had rejected again and again.
it WAS thru their own choice.
Have you read the bible and seen how many times the Jews rejected God....then when theyre in trouble they come crawlin back?

These me who had Christ crucified werent guiltless.

Jesus went to a woman at a well.
he went out of HIs way for her.
Why?
Becuase He knew she would accept.

Just as He knew the majority of the Jews would not.

That passage I gave before said soemthing like ''to him who has little, even what he has will be taken" .
My beleif it Jesus was refering to the stubborn Jews there.
lots of them did repent tho.
Many thru John the baptists ministry, Jesus' and Pauls as well.

anyway.
Im giong to leave you fine folks to your own here.
The more I think about it, the less I think its going to work here.
Someone will insult and Ill feel the need to get sarcastic .....or every answer I give will be taken as ''preaching''.

Im just not up for the games.....I had enough of that on CF.

See all you folks on the other side :wave: