Johnny Skeptic

In order for a man to claim that God should be the only judge, he would have to make a judgment of his own that God should be the only judge. It would take a being who is infallible and perfect to reliably make such a judgment. Since no human is infallible and perfect, no human can reliably claim that any being should be the only judge. In other words, regarding a being who is infallible and perfect, it takes one to know one, and no human is one.

Biff the unclean

And verily I say unto you that this is the greatest of all commandments. Thou shalt do as I say and not as I do.

Jupofu

I don't know exactly where you are getting the argument that mankind has appointed God to be the judge over the universe from. This simply is not so. God Himself appointed Jesus to be judge:

"Jesus gave them this answer: 'I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does…Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son…And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man'" (John 5:19-27).

Last I heard God is infallible and perfect, and His Son also is infallible and perfect, for they are One.

Furthermore, please understand the term judgment as God intended...

John Gill's Exposition of the Bible on...John 8:15...
"Ye judge after the flesh…"
According to their carnal affections and prejudices; taking the Messiah to be a temporal prince, and his kingdom to be of this world, they judged that Jesus could not be he; they looked upon him as a mere man, and seeing him in much outward meanness, in his human nature, they judged of him according to this outward appearance: or "ye" that are "after the flesh judge"; to which sense the Persic version agrees, "for ye are carnal"; and so judged as carnal men, who are very improper persons to judge of spiritual things:
"I judge no man;"
in the same way, after the flesh, or in a carnal manner, nor according to outward appearances, according to the sight of the eyes, or the hearing of the ears: Christ did not take upon him to judge and determine in civil affairs, or in things pertaining to a court of judicature among men; this was not his province; an instance of this there is in the context, in not condemning the woman brought to him; nor did he judge the persons and states of men, or proceed to pass any sentence of condemnation on them; he came not to condemn, but save the world; this was not his business now; otherwise, all judgment is committed to him, and which he will exercise another day.

That other day being His Second Coming, the Day of Judgment...

John Gill's Exposition of the Bible…Romans 2:5…
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart…"
The apostle goes on to show, that such persons who promise themselves impunity on the score of prosperity, shall not always go unobserved and unpunished; for there is a day of wrath and righteous judgment hastening on, and will take place after they have filled up the measure of their iniquity. There is a natural "hardness" of the heart in every son and daughter of Adam; and there is an acquired habitual hardness, which is increased by sinning; and a judicial one, which God, for sin, sometimes gives persons up unto. An "impenitent heart" is not only an heart which does not repent, but such an one as cannot repent, being harder than the nether millstone. Now men, by such hardness and impenitence,
"treasure up unto [themselves] wrath:"
they are the authors of their own destruction; by which is meant the wrath of God, in opposition to the riches of his goodness, despised by them; and is in reserve for wicked men: and is laid up
"against,"
and will be brought forth in
"the day of wrath;"
which the Scriptures call "the evil day", (Amos 6:3) (Ephesians 6:13) ; the day fixed by God, when he will call men to an account for their sins, and stir up all his wrath against them:
"and revelation;"
that is, the day of revelation, when Christ shall be revealed from heaven in flames of fire, the sins of men shall be revealed, and the wrath of God against them:
"of the righteous judgment of God;"
that is, when the judgment of God, which is now hid, shall appear; and which is said to be "righteous", because it will be carried on in a righteous manner, and proceed upon, and be executed according to the strictest rules of justice and equity.

OldYgg

I prefer Rhadamanthus as the judge of the dead. It has a better ring to it.

Old Ygg

Mr Carcer

You are fallible and imperfect being. Therefore I neither trust nor accept your assessment of God as infallible and perfect. Neither do I accept your God's supposed right to select a judge for all of creation.

Johnny Skeptic

My position is not that Christians have appointed God as the judge, but that Christians have judged, or decided, that in their opinions the God of the Bible has the right to be the judge. Any dictatorial tyrant who has sufficient power is able to enforce rules of his own choosing, but there is not a necessary correlation between power and the right to rule. As a rebuttal, some Christians claim that God has a right to rule because he is infallible and perfect. However, only a being who is infallible and perfect would be able to judge who is infallible and perfect. Since no human is infallible and perfect, no human is in any position to judge who is infallible and perfect. In other words, regarding a being who is infallible and perfect, it takes one to know one, and you are not one.

Jupofu

Of course it is an obvious fact that I am not infallible or perfect. But Scripture is, and it is from Scripture that I get my reasoning. I don't have the right to judge, but Scripture does--"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Also, since God created the world, He has the right to judge it, being the owner of it. And since Jesus became human, He also has the right to judge it, knowing all that we go through personally. Additionaly, the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins, all we have to do is open up our hearts, listen to Him, repent, confess, and be baptized.

God has the right to judge because He is merciful and just. Thankfully, by the grace of God, not by the law, are we saved. In other words, we need not be infallible and perfect (following the law perfectly) in order to be saved, we only need to believe in Jesus' name. God took care of the rest by sending His Son down to take away our sins by being crucified, along with our sins, on the cross.

Furthermore, it does not take an infallible and perfect being to know and infallible and perfect being. Does it take a dog to know a dog? No, I know my dog, even though I am much smarter than he. And my dog knows me; even though he doesn't know me fully, He can still obey my every command. Even though I don't know God fully, I still have the choice to either obey or deny Him, because I know Him and His will: "We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him [God, the Father] Who is true. And we are in Him Who is true--even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life" (1 John 5:20).

Mujahid_Munafiq

Prove the bolded claim please.

OldYgg

Well, I'll take a stab at it even if it might be against my better interests, it does seem like an interesting point.

Let's take a being such as myself. The things that I can do is a set of capabilities.

Let's take a being that is infallible and perfect.

This beings capabilities are a set of capabilities that includes everything I can do and everything else that is possible to do.

Now, let's take our deal breaker. A being that is somewhere in between me and a perfect being. It contains all the capabilities that I do and many many others - its capabilities are a superset of mine. For all intents and purposes if it is that much better than me I might conclude it is perfect, where in reality it is not perfect, merely much more capable and closer to perfect than I am.

This was actually brought out in a Star Trek episode. Picard visited a planet (which they weren't supposed to interfere with) and the locals considered him a god. No matter what he did they persisted in this belief until he was shown to be mortal. He was sufficiently advance compared to them to be considered a god or perfect; however, he was not a god (fortunately).

Old Ygg

Johnny Skeptic

Any being can claim that he has the right to be the only judge, but any such declaration is arbitrary, meaning subject to individual discretion, which is the same thing as might makes right. Might makes right is a bankrupt philosophy. There is no necessary correlation between power and goodness. It is wrong to create hurricanes and kill people with them. The Bible says that killing people is wrong, but God kills people. Therefore, God is a hypocrite, and no one should accept him. It HAS NOT been established that a good way to get people to accept you is to injure them and kill them with hurricanes.

God refuses to do everything that he can in order to help ensure that as many people as possible go to heaven, and as few people as possible go to hell. That is reason enough on its own for people to reject him.