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Old 09-21-2004, 07:18 PM   #1
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It is my belief that the German People did not get a fair trial at the Nuremberg Trials.

By this I do not mean the individuals indicted, but the German Nation and German people as a whole.

I would like to stage an Appeal On Conviction of the Nuremberg Trials on this forum and present the German perspective on the events that led to the war.

Can you advise me where to best locate this posting in this forum and how you feel about it ? Bitte; danke.
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It is my belief that the German People did not get a fair trial at the Nuremberg Trials.

By this I do not mean the individuals indicted, but the German Nation and German people as a whole.
Could you please be more specific about what was wrong with the trials?

You may note from my profile that I'm from Germany, but that these trials happened long before I was born. I know about them only from history lessons, and find no problems with them. So please explain.
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With NPD and DVU now storming parliaments in East Germany, I expect such an appeal to be made in the next few months.

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It is my belief that the German People did not get a fair trial at the Nuremberg Trials.

By this I do not mean the individuals indicted, but the German Nation and German people as a whole.

I would like to stage an Appeal On Conviction of the Nuremberg Trials on this forum and present the German perspective on the events that led to the war.

Can you advise me where to best locate this posting in this forum and how you feel about it ? Bitte; danke.
The "German people" were not tried at Nuremberg, there were about 150 people tried at Nuremberg, all on specific charges.
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Could you please be more specific about what was wrong with the trials?

You may note from my profile that I'm from Germany, but that these trials happened long before I was born. I know about them only from history lessons, and find no problems with them. So please explain.
I started to explain with a very long post that disappeared into cyberspace.
I do not have the patience to try posting it again. My affinity with the German people is a mystery to me. My first love was a 17-year old frauline living with her parents in Toronto and I became the son they never had.
They exposed me to pre-Hitler German culture, which I came to admire.
Later, I dated a German princess from the House of Hannover, the most intelligent female I've ever met. I asked her to marry me twice and both times she was silent in reply. We became excellent friends and kept in touch over 20 years.

To answer your question more directly, I feel that the German Nation and German people were indirectly on trial at Nuremberg, but they had no lawyer representing them. Most Germans I have spoken to on the subject admit to seeing my point as they go through life with the stigma of being born German. I would like to be that lawyer appealing the conviction of the German people, not the indicted war criminals.
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With NPD and DVU now storming parliaments in East Germany, I expect such an appeal to be made in the next few months.

[insert Wochenschau theme here]
I am sorry that I am not familiar with the acronyms posted. Could you please explain what is going on ?
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The "German people" were not tried at Nuremberg, there were about 150 people tried at Nuremberg, all on specific charges.[/QUOTE]

They were tried in world public opinion and were found guilty by association and by birthplace. A church which harbours a pedaphile is tainted by association with that pedophile. A teleavengelist sentenced to some ridiculous sentence for his ignorance in accounting for funds taints his followers. A minister admitting to adultery taints his followers. All are guilty by association.
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I started to explain with a very long post that disappeared into cyberspace.
I do not have the patience to try posting it again. My affinity with the German people is a mystery to me. My first love was a 17-year old frauline living with her parents in Toronto and I became the son they never had.
They exposed me to pre-Hitler German culture, which I came to admire.
Later, I dated a German princess from the House of Hannover, the most intelligent female I've ever met. I asked her to marry me twice and both times she was silent in reply. We became excellent friends and kept in touch over 20 years.

To answer your question more directly, I feel that the German Nation and German people were indirectly on trial at Nuremberg, but they had no lawyer representing them. Most Germans I have spoken to on the subject admit to seeing my point as they go through life with the stigma of being born German. I would like to be that lawyer appealing the conviction of the German people, not the indicted war criminals.
Well, they should've felt guilty about what they let their society become. Just like Americans should feel guilty about wiping out american indians
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I like Germany and think that Germany got screwed in the 20th century for sure, but I don't see how Nuremberg had anything to do with it. I think that overall it was healthy for the German people, because it forced those that didn't see the situation to face it. I can only hope that something similar happens to the Bush admin, but of course it won't.

The real irony of Nazism is that in many ways I think that it was true that Germany was the greatest civilization in the world at the time, the sad part is that it was the non-Nazis who made it great.
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To answer your question more directly, I feel that the German Nation and German people were indirectly on trial at Nuremberg, but they had no lawyer representing them. Most Germans I have spoken to on the subject admit to seeing my point as they go through life with the stigma of being born German. I would like to be that lawyer appealing the conviction of the German people, not the indicted war criminals.
What German Nation? What German people?

There are four countries that are majority German, and there are German minorities in other countries (more so at the time of the war).

When you talk of the German Nation, is that of all the German people? Or just a part? Please clarify.

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