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Old 03-03-2005, 08:08 PM   #21
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For the sake of this discussion lets accept that God exists. What is it that God does? Not what you do, not what God did but what God does. Present tense, now!
One theory I have seen is that creation is, in fact, an ongoing act; that, at each second, the continued existance of stuff is an act of will by God.

More pragmatically: Guides people who are interested in being guided.
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LoL The Bible Thumper also refers to Nietzsche and Morrison. No response at all to the OP.
I don't think many theists have an answer they are willing to commit to print. Kang Louie's was nicely predicated with "Maybe". Still rather vague, though. Does Kang Louie have a more confident answer than "Maybe He is trying to learn something by running a test?"
There are lot's of Christian theists willing to post on less important topics than this one.

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Old 03-03-2005, 08:18 PM   #23
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Guides people who are interested in being guided.
Probably the only one that actually has a material effect, giving the word meaning through living it.

It is also something I do myself but rather beginning with a nihilist philosophy and a determination to find enjoyment and reward anyway.

The only real difficulty with this one is that it is not God's actions but ones own.
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Probably the only one that actually has a material effect, giving the word meaning through living it.

It is also something I do myself but rather beginning with a nihilist philosophy and a determination to find enjoyment and reward anyway.

The only real difficulty with this one is that it is not God's actions but ones own.
I don't see how giving guidance isn't an action. If I give people advice, they may be the ones "acting", but I may still have a great deal of influence.
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So why knock it?
Because it gets in the way of honest appraisal and recognition of what is. When you choose to see the world through a filter that misrepresents, whenever you encounter a situation that requires you to bring your intelligence, compassion and reason to bear you fail to question properly and create answers that harm. Papal decrees against birth control are a case in point where the narrow view on the world is causing harm to the people within it.
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I don't see how giving guidance isn't an action. If I give people advice, they may be the ones "acting", but I may still have a great deal of influence.
How is this gods action?
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How is this gods action?
Giving guidance is an action.

Someone asks me for advice. I give advice. I have acted; the person gets advice they would not have gotten otherwise.
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Giving guidance is an action.

Someone asks me for advice. I give advice. I have acted; the person gets advice they would not have gotten otherwise.
Sorry, I'm still missing something, where was God in this again?
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Lol, the Atheist refers to Nietzsche. The same philosopher drug addict and social misfit Jim Morrison of the Doors musical rock group referred and admired!

Good going, James T. Nietzsche has quite an (ahem) following...
I am constantly amazed at how quickly theists are to launch into character assassination just to avoid the real debate...

you really want to talk about drug addiction? socials misfits?
shall we start with the pedophile priests? Bush's cocaine use? O"Reilly's porn addiction? or need we go down the long list of christian leaders caught prostituting, whoring, sniffing, raping or otherwise engaging in flaunting and breaking everyone of your ten commandments?
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I am constantly amazed at how quickly theists are to launch into character assassination just to avoid the real debate...
It comes from a lack of realistic alternative options .
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