jack_hunter

What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls. That violates the definition of the words "corresponding ransom" that the Bible uses to describe this event. How can the Bible say Jesus sacrificed his life if the only thing he sacrificed was some worthless old shell of a body, and the real Jesus, his soul,
continued to live on? That can hardly count as a corresponding sacrifice, can it?

The book of Romans says that we "deserve" to die for our sins, but why would a "just" God punish billions of people for Adam's error? Why would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form of birth pain? If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin with, why blame them for being fooled? The book of Romans goes on further to say "Learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why couldn't God just forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being murdered to cancel out sin?

AJ113

Indeed, and furthermore he didn't even sacrifice his body, because he got it back 1 1/2 days later. So Jesus' great sacrifice was to vacate his body for 1 1/2 days, which amounts to - well, nothing really.

Postcard73

Especially when you consider that Jesus is supposedly 1/3 of the eternal Trinity and was aware of his divinity.

Queen of Swords

Is this how it goes?

1. Jesus, existing in heaven, is a soul or some kind of spirit being.

2. Jesus descends to earth and now gets a body as well as a spirit (which makes him sound rather like a Wizard of Oz character).

3. Jesus's body dies. His soul presumably goes to heaven.

4. Jesus's body rises. His soul takes the down elevator and is reunited with his body.

5. Jesus is taken up into heaven body and soul. Please correct me if I got the details wrong.

In heaven, does Jesus still have this body? If so, why? What does Jesus need a body for - IOW, what can he do with a body that he couldn't do when he was pure spirit? And if not, what happened to his body?

AJ113

That is exactly as I understand it, QoS,although his body is kind of the super-deluxe version now.

Spanky

My first post!
This is a new angle to look at the myth of Jesus and is very thought provoking (the type of things one would ignore while engulfed in fundyism). To answer your question, can it be a "corresponding sacrifice?" One word: NOPE
But the thought of the "son of god: would have made some good marketing for a "new religion" some 2 thousand years ago.
Who's error was it, maybe. . .god's? An omnipotent all knowing creator would have known ahead of time what Eve would have done. So in actuality god is the one who should take the blame, not Eve or the rest of manknd after.
But, we are punitive, lowly humans who are prone to sin and for the atonement we need a sacrifice for those sins, so god sent his son to die for us. I still think this is great marketing, thats why xtianity has been around for this long.
Because bible god loves to see suffering and hates to forgive

Biff the unclean

Super-deluxe version???? What about all those holes Tom was sticking his fingers in? Do they come standard on the new version or do you need to order an options package?

sharon45

With the christian god, it is his rules and his logic. Really the bible creators' rules and logic.

Paradox

Actually the fundies have a much harder time with it than you'd think. They don't just split it up into body and soul. Its a three way thing. Spirit, soul and body. You should see the theological athletics they have to do to explain what happens to all 3 of those when any person dies - let alone Jesus!

Spanky

Speaking of athletics, what happened to Arsenal in the Champions League?

Nonetheless, I find it amazing that in the past I talked about such things as spirit and soul and body as if they (soul and spirit) were not abstract but concrete. Now I realize/ believe that I am just a body. Much simpler actually.