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Jaybees · 11-13-2012, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

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the totalitarian 4th and 5th century christian regime.

:wave:

Explain the error instead of being cutesy so it can be answered, denied or admitted to.

Perspicuo · 11-13-2012, 07:32 AM

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Because secularists privilege their beliefs on the public square, they often don’t understand the deep offensiveness of their ridicule of religious belief.

Well in fact we do. We know that certain people will think, and others, who choose not to, will feel offended.

We do? How do we know this? Or is it merely hoped that people will be offended?

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The implication is simple, straightforward, immediate. The idea is absurd. But instead of doing the reasonable thing, which is admit it is absurd, the person feels the pain of ridicule... but nothing happens, from the cognitive standpoint. Only affect.

Exactly who is dreaming, here? The heavily loaded language of the definition is enough to convince anyone that its author believes in Christ, and finds that belief a great irritation.

Let's analyse it. Just four words let the reader know he's wasting his time reading further.

'some cosmic Jewish Zombie'

First, 'some'. Pejorative, without justification. Suicidal, already! 'Some cosmic Jewish Zombie'; like you meet them every day. It's not like, 'some rowdy drunk kept us awake'. The claim is for a unique agent. Just perverse and childish, this.

Next, 'cosmic'. Circularity, here. The supernatural is irrationally bellowed out of existence by people terrified of it!

'Jewish'. Is there something wrong with being Jewish? Is there anti-Semitism here? :constern01:

'Zombie'. Note the capitalisation, that demonstrates the mendacity of the author, who needs to bolster his false argument with a capital. But note that he/she is cheating. If the person described is a zombie, he cannot be cosmic. And if cosmic, cannot be a zombie.

It's so pathetic that you are not surprised by 'telepathic' and the fundie lunacy that follows.

Some people shoot themselves in the foot. Others have a higher aim.

:huh:

Pretty much the sort of thoughtless affective reflex I was referring to. Thank you for the colorful illustration.

sotto voce · 11-13-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Perspicuo

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

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Originally Posted by Perspicuo

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Because secularists privilege their beliefs on the public square, they often don’t understand the deep offensiveness of their ridicule of religious belief.

Well in fact we do. We know that certain people will think, and others, who choose not to, will feel offended.

We do? How do we know this? Or is it merely hoped that people will be offended?

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The implication is simple, straightforward, immediate. The idea is absurd. But instead of doing the reasonable thing, which is admit it is absurd, the person feels the pain of ridicule... but nothing happens, from the cognitive standpoint. Only affect.

Exactly who is dreaming, here? The heavily loaded language of the definition is enough to convince anyone that its author believes in Christ, and finds that belief a great irritation.

Let's analyse it. Just four words let the reader know he's wasting his time reading further.

'some cosmic Jewish Zombie'

First, 'some'. Pejorative, without justification. Suicidal, already! 'Some cosmic Jewish Zombie'; like you meet them every day. It's not like, 'some rowdy drunk kept us awake'. The claim is for a unique agent. Just perverse and childish, this.

Next, 'cosmic'. Circularity, here. The supernatural is irrationally bellowed out of existence by people terrified of it!

'Jewish'. Is there something wrong with being Jewish? Is there anti-Semitism here? :constern01:

'Zombie'. Note the capitalisation, that demonstrates the mendacity of the author, who needs to bolster his false argument with a capital. But note that he/she is cheating. If the person described is a zombie, he cannot be cosmic. And if cosmic, cannot be a zombie.

It's so pathetic that you are not surprised by 'telepathic' and the fundie lunacy that follows.

Some people shoot themselves in the foot. Others have a higher aim.

:huh:

Pretty much the sort of thoughtless affective reflex I was referring to. Thank you for the colorful illustration.

What else can be said?

Thank you for the conspicuous white flag.

sotto voce · 11-13-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaybees

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the totalitarian 4th and 5th century christian regime.

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Explain the error

:rolling:

tanya · 11-13-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaybees

Explain the error

sotto did not explain it, because in his view of the world, if you require an explanation of something so obvious, as what a "true" christian believes, in contrast to the beliefs of a "phony" christian like Lord Constantine, and the other Roman emperors, then, your input to the forum ought to be disregarded.....

As far as I am concerned sotto voce, your notion of a "true" christian, based on some kind of text, is sufficiently contradictory, that it can readily accommodate both Constantine, and Hitler. Please identify which Greek text you employ, to clarify your conviction of the divinity of JC....

WVIncagold · 11-13-2012, 09:49 AM

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A few individuals that survived poisoning

Then they didn't die.

We can mess around with silly pejoratives like 'zombie'; like children.

Or not.

Take your pick is Jesus a Zombie or God? If he was human as many Xians insist than he is a Zombie
its not pejorative when used properly and is the best word to describe your deity. A human corpse raised by magical means. It is simply a description. You are the only one with a problem with it being used because you want to use SPECIAL PLEADING. If it was any other religion claiming the exact same circumstances you would say oh yes they are describing a zombie,
Also if you want to hall out the old God canard then Jesus made no sacrifice as he then just took a nap for three days. And a lesser god he would be as Odin crucified himself for 9 days and then took himself down. Now that's a God. But gods cannot die so no sacrifice. Rendering your premise of the entire religion moot.
So Zombie or God choice is yours. which is he?

Jaybees · 11-13-2012, 10:16 AM

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Please identify which Greek text you employ, to clarify your conviction of the divinity of JC....

Somewhere Jesus is quoted as saying "I am". That's proof enough according to many Xtians.

sotto voce · 11-13-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WVIncagold

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

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A few individuals that survived poisoning

Then they didn't die.

We can mess around with silly pejoratives like 'zombie'; like children.

Or not.

Take your pick is Jesus a Zombie or God?

That's the question for the author of the 'blackboard' message in #6 (perhaps after he's humbly corrected his English). In either case, the author apparently believes in the supernatural. Which is very counter-productive, surely. To say nothing of the self-contradiction. It's not the sort of thing that is fit to be read in this forum. Or anywhere, for that matter.

Here is a brief statement that covers the same ground, but reflects the content of the Bible, presented objectively; imv. If any wish to dispute any of it, of course there is opportunity.

Christianity: the belief that supernal deity temporarily became a man in order to make it possible for humanity to live forever. Those who appropriate this life are those who, out of gratitude, live for that deity, a process they describe as 'eating his body'. They are grateful for the clearing of conscience achieved by atonement, bad conscience being otherwise the permanent possession of all people, represented by the Adam and Eve allegory.

They believe that this deity witnesses all human thoughts as well as actions, and nothing can be hid from him.

All of this the author of the message probably knew, with much pain, as we know from the obvious misrepresentation.

He or she is not alone, evidently.

Net2004 · 11-13-2012, 12:47 PM

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the belief that supernal deity temporarily became a man in order to make it possible for humanity to live forever.

your diety , like pagan gods, had to hide behind flesh to do deeds?

Perspicuo · 11-13-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

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Originally Posted by Perspicuo

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

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Originally Posted by Perspicuo

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Because secularists privilege their beliefs on the public square, they often don’t understand the deep offensiveness of their ridicule of religious belief.

Well in fact we do. We know that certain people will think, and others, who choose not to, will feel offended.

We do? How do we know this? Or is it merely hoped that people will be offended?

Quote:

The implication is simple, straightforward, immediate. The idea is absurd. But instead of doing the reasonable thing, which is admit it is absurd, the person feels the pain of ridicule... but nothing happens, from the cognitive standpoint. Only affect.

Exactly who is dreaming, here? The heavily loaded language of the definition is enough to convince anyone that its author believes in Christ, and finds that belief a great irritation.

Let's analyse it. Just four words let the reader know he's wasting his time reading further.

'some cosmic Jewish Zombie'

First, 'some'. Pejorative, without justification. Suicidal, already! 'Some cosmic Jewish Zombie'; like you meet them every day. It's not like, 'some rowdy drunk kept us awake'. The claim is for a unique agent. Just perverse and childish, this.

Next, 'cosmic'. Circularity, here. The supernatural is irrationally bellowed out of existence by people terrified of it!

'Jewish'. Is there something wrong with being Jewish? Is there anti-Semitism here? :constern01:

'Zombie'. Note the capitalisation, that demonstrates the mendacity of the author, who needs to bolster his false argument with a capital. But note that he/she is cheating. If the person described is a zombie, he cannot be cosmic. And if cosmic, cannot be a zombie.

It's so pathetic that you are not surprised by 'telepathic' and the fundie lunacy that follows.

Some people shoot themselves in the foot. Others have a higher aim.

:huh:

Pretty much the sort of thoughtless affective reflex I was referring to. Thank you for the colorful illustration.

What else can be said?

Thank you for the conspicuous white flag.

White flag indeed. One can't give rebuttals to non-thoughts. So I don't. Have a nice day.

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