Celsus

He's already tried it in BC&H and promptly got the thread chucked to ~E~. I'm just upset he didn't add in all the other irrefutable recommendations I suggested the first time round.

Joel

Jet Black

what on earth? why isn't this thread in elsewhere?

well I can soon rectify that.

as a nice helpful note, no insulting one another

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Per Ahlberg

Blimey! Right, we'd better take this slowly...

Willowtree, Christianity reached Scandinavia in the early Middle Ages, starting in the 9th century AD with missionaries like St. Ansgar, and concluding at least in the case of Sweden with the destruction of the pagan temple in Uppsala around 1080. (By the way, I'm writing this from Uppsala; the site of the temple in question was about 6 km from my keyboard.)

Prior to this time, Scandinavians worshipped a number of pagan gods. You are probably familiar with Odin, Thor and Frey, who were the three chief gods worshipped at Uppsala, but place names reveal an older stratum of gods that had largely been forgotten by the time the fading pagan mythology was written down during the Middle Ages: the sky gods Tyr and Ull, and the earth goddess Njärd (mentioned as "Nerthus" by Tacitus).

Unsurprisingly, biblical names begin to appear in Scandinavia only after the arrival of Christianity. The earliest documented example I know is king Anund Jacob of Sweden, son of King Olof Skötkonung who had been baptized in 1000 AD. Note that "Anund" is an old pagan name with a long tradition in the Swedish royal line.

So what were people called before that? Well, here's a sample (capital R at the end of a name indicates a soft r sound):

HathuwulfR, HariwulfR - 5th century runic inscriptions

FrarawadaR - 6th-7th century runic inscription

Varin, VämodR - 9th century runic inscription

Aun, Anund, Egil, Adils, Ottar, Angantyr - names of 6th-7th century kings at Uppsala, according to tradition

Erik, Olof, Björn, Sven - names of viking-period kings at Uppsala

and so on and so forth...

As for surnames, well, they only became common in Sweden during the 18th century.


So one way or another I don't think the "Jacobsson argument" carries a lot of weight.


Yours ever, Thorgeirr Hamsterstrangler

leccy

Who is this? Robert de Niro?

Oikoman

Read a book on natural history ( a real one, not just the Bible)... a LOT happened before the dinosaurs, including, among other things, mammals. Dinosaurs came after.

How can you make a comparison between scientific knowledge on one hand and the Bible on the other when you clearly don't understand the science?

Oikoman

Considering how much of the bible is made up of long, boring lists of begats, I don't see why not. :rolling:

Hopeful Monsters

"LonDAN" - what laughable garbage.

Oikoman

I know its OT, but for those of us who never stray into BC&H, what the hell is a Tribe of Dan, and what does this have to do with Scandinavia?

Celsus

Dan was one of the twelve "tribes" or Israel, and had a city named Dan (this is anachronistically mentioned in Genesis 14:14 before "Dan" was born, among others). Historically, they may well have been connected with Homer's "Danaoi" or the "Denye" recorded by Egypt, who were part of a larger group of invaders to the Levant in the Late Bronze (14th-13th centuries) known as the Sea Peoples (their pottery is Mycenaean IIIC:1B because of its close affinities with Mycenaean ware). Even the Bible (Judges 5:17) records that they lived in ships (thanks, spin, for pointing this out). By the time we reach the Iron Age, the only Sea Peoples left as a distinct group are the Philistines (everyone else, Sikils, Danites?, etc. had assimilated - Willow, please learn what this word means). So, possibly, just maybe, there is a connection. However, if there is one, then poor old Willowtree's got his horse the wrong side of the cart, since the Denye and Danaoi are far older than the Israelite Danites (who are not attested anywhere outside the Bible), and then one of Jacob's sons must have had an adventurous life, travelling to Egypt and then leaving for Mycenaea and developing an entire civilization with his wondrous time machine, while the rest of his brothers' descendents got turned into slaves. Incidentally, the twelve-tribe league of Israel (usually known under theories of "amphyoctony") has been thoroughly discredited by those evil atheist Christian and Jewish archaeologists who work in Palestine.

What does it have to do with ScandAnavia? Well, quite easy, if they were clever enough to cross from Cyprus and Crete to the Levant, they were also clever enough to get past the Rock of Gilbratar and out of the Mediterranean. And if they got out of the Mediterranean, they may well have reached ScanDANavia, LonDAN, InDANesia, SuDAN, ZAnzibaRA (in DANZARniA (Tanzania)--note "Zara", the father of Dan, according to Willow), DAN Dong, DANtarctica, etc. Eh. Who am I kidding? It's got bugger all to do with Scandinavia and Willowtree is making this shit up as he goes along. Oddly enough, Willow won't connect them with the most obvious candidate, JorDAN. I wonder why he only wants to connect them with white people...

Joel

Sven

I don't know which kind of clock you have, but you could make billions if it's indeed wrong only twice a day even if stopped. :Cheeky: