Corona688

That's just it; god is infinitely redefinable. I'm sure you'll be able to find any number of arguments that "prove god correct" if you work long enough, just as I can find any number of ones that contradict you. None of these proof/contradictions of god have any meaning because god is meaningless; if you accept any of them you do it on faith, not on reason.

In other words, we're not going to get an answer from contemplating our own navels. Let's look at the universe around us instead, and draw our conclusions from what we see, not what we believe.

Chimp

According to your logic, God is meaningless because the definition of God is constantly being redefined as the arguments are critically scrutinized.

Interesting... That sounds like an approach towards some type of definition "limit". Ergo, the God concept is probably not meaningless. Only your subjective opinion says it is meaningless.

At the present time 1/0 is basically meaningless, since it is undefined. Yet it could have meaning as mathematical definitions continue to evolve. It potentially has meaning.

The God concept could have "objective", as well as subjective, meaning.

To draw a conclusion about the observable universe, requires logic.

Goliath

No, 1/0 is meaningless. Try to divide 0 into 1 using long divison, and you'll see why.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Chimp

Yes, at the present time 1/0 is basically meaningless. And you are also correct in the sense that old dogs cannot learn new tricks.

Goliath

No, you still fail to understand, so I will spell it out for you. Try to divide 0 into 1. We need an initial guess for a quotient, so let's start with an initial guess of 1.

_1_
0|1
-0
__
1

Hmmm, so we don't get remainder zero...well, maybe we should try 2 for a quotient.

_2_
0|1
-0
__
1

Nope, still didn't work...hopefully you can see by now that for any real (or, if you'd like, complex) number r, we get

_r_
0|1
-0
__
1

So, we can never get a remainder of zero, whence we can never divide 0 into 1.

Thus 1/0 is nonsensical.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Chimp

1/0 is undefined

0/0 is indeterminate

Goliath

Yes, neither make sense.

What's the point of all this? How does this bantering add to your god arugment?

Sincerely,

Goliath

Chimp

Correct, how does "banter" add to the argument...

I recall that Corona688 says the "god concept" is meaningless.

I replied.

Then you appear to argue again.

I replied.

Anything else you want to ...add?

Goliath

Yes, how about answering my earlier questions? Specifically, what do you mean by the ordering that you use in your main god argument, and what set is this ordering on? You've never answered those questions.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Chimp

Possibly an extension of the ZF set theory, or situated sets:

http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~akman/...ir/node21.html