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Wolf-Tas · 12-01-2003, 03:17 PM

Islam spread throughout the Middle East and across North Africa within one hundred years of the death of Muhammed, possibly the fastest spreading religion in history, does this make it true?

Doctor X · 12-01-2003, 03:39 PM

Worse . . . look at how Scientology spread . . . does it make us all descended from clams?

--J. "If a Religion Makes you Leave Nicole Kidman. . . ." D.

Gregg · 12-01-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
Worse . . . look at how Scientology spread . . . does it make us all descended from clams?

--J. "If a Religion Makes you Leave Nicole Kidman. . . ." D.

...and hook up with Penelope Cruz, I'm a Scientologist!

But actually, I've never heard that their religious beliefs had anything to do with the Cruise/Kidman breakup.

Kilgore Trout · 12-01-2003, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by HuggyBear
If Jesus is the person who he said he was, and truely performed the miracles the Bible says he did, then that obviouslly affirms the exsitence of God.

1)What scientific evidence exists to disprove the existence of Jesus as a man?

2)Further more, what reasoning can disprove his relation to God?

Loaded question.. glhf!

I'll answer your second question.

Let's assume the god of the OT is real. Deuteronomy 13 says god will sometimes allow false prophets to perform miracles in order to test the Hebrews' faithfullness.

Jesus wanted to change the laws of the Torah. That made him a false prophet. So according to Deut 13 any and all miracles he did were to be ignored because he wanted people to rebel against the "true" god of the Hebrews.

So even if he did every miracle they said he did, including rise from the dead, he has no relation to the god of the Torah. This is one of the biggest proofs against the NT, yet christians never seem to understand it. They always assume that because he did miracles, that proves he comes from god. Jesus makes a similar claim in the gospels, so that shows that he doesn't understand Deut 13 either.

Weltall · 12-01-2003, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
Worse . . . look at how Scientology spread . . . does it make us all descended from clams?

Clams? Is this something I don't want to know about?

Doctor X · 12-02-2003, 04:28 PM

Oh definitely!!!

For those interested:

Operation Clambake

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The short version of this is that the creator of Dianetics and Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, claimed humans evolved from clams in his book "A History of Man".

--J.D.

Weltall · 12-02-2003, 08:00 PM

Just when I thought I knew how crazy Scientologists are... that was one I hadn't seen before.

Adora · 12-02-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Howard
If Mohammed was not the true prophet of God, and the Koran was not the final and most important revelation of God, how did Islam spread so quickly? And why is Islam rapidly overtaking Christianity as the world�s most populous religion?

I could answer this, but it would require a new thread, and I don't know which sub-forum it would belong to. Would a mod like to help me out here?

Celsus · 12-02-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by Adora
I could answer this, but it would require a new thread, and I don't know which sub-forum it would belong to. Would a mod like to help me out here?

Hi Adora,

Feel free to discuss the history of Islam here, since it is an "Abrahamic" religion. Just start a new thread. If it gets off-topic, we'll deal with it.

Your friendly neighbourhood moderator,
Joel

P.S. Discussion of scientology, on the other hand, belongs elsewhere [confusion](no, not necessarily ~Elsewhere~, just elsewhere) [/confusion]

Johann_Kaspar · 12-03-2003, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by LadyShea
Jesus was a very common name at the time in that area. I am sure there were dozens of them.

No way. Is Wilhelm a very common name in the USA nowadays? Or Guillaume?

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12-01-2003, 03:17 PM	#61
Wolf-Tas Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Snowy Mountains, NSW, Australia Posts: 17	Islam spread throughout the Middle East and across North Africa within one hundred years of the death of Muhammed, possibly the fastest spreading religion in history, does this make it true?

12-01-2003, 03:39 PM	#62
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Worse . . . look at how Scientology spread . . . does it make us all descended from clams? --J. "If a Religion Makes you Leave Nicole Kidman. . . ." D.

12-02-2003, 08:00 PM	#67
Weltall Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,283	Just when I thought I knew how crazy Scientologists are... that was one I hadn't seen before.

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