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AJ113 · 04-10-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by breathilizer

Possible, but not necessary

Explain?

breathilizer · 04-10-2004, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ113

Explain?

It isn't necessary to prove a negative in order to lack belief in something, such as God. I know you know this stuff. Please don't patronize me.

Furyus George · 04-10-2004, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Norseman

Sharon, what you've proven is that christians don't believe the exact same thing (hence the thousands of denominations). If god does exist and is perfect, then the fundies are right, if not, then the other christians are right. They don't both have to be right because they are not both believing in the same thing. If someone were to simultaneously believe that god were both perfect and imperfect then it would proove that they were a wacko and that their particular belief was false. As this is not the case, the proof is irrelevant in determing the validity of modern christian beliefs.

I'm glad someone else is able to see this. As for my statement regarding intellectual honesty and stones, I know there are plenty of each on this board.

Furyus George, appreciating Norseman

Starboy · 04-10-2004, 05:39 PM

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[/B]I wish an atheist with some intellectual honesty and some stones would back me up, but I won't hold my breath.

I think it would have been more accurate if Sharon45 said that the huge diversity of religious beliefs (Christianity included) is evidence that there is no god involved in Christianity, since if god was real one would expect to see some consistency in independent accounts of god, like one sees in the properties of quarks. The recurring elements that one does see in independent accounts looks exactly like any other intense mental and emotional experience such as narcolepsy, epileptic seizures, schizophrenia and so forth. Religion appears to be evidence of mental illness not of god(s).

Starboy

Furyus George · 04-10-2004, 06:11 PM

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I think it would have been more accurate if Sharon45 said that the huge diversity of religious beliefs (Christianity included) is evidence that there is no god involved in Christianity, since if god was real one would expect to see some consistency in independent accounts of god, like one sees in the properties of quarks. The recurring elements that one does see in independent accounts looks exactly like any other intense mental and emotional experience such as narcolepsy, epileptic seizures, schizophrenia and so forth. Religion appears to be evidence of mental illness not of god(s).

Starboy

I hope you're never my attorney, starboy. I'll assert that quarks are stronger circumstantial evidence for God than are the diversity of religious beliefs evidence that God doesn't exist.

By the way, if I don't get back to you on this tomorrow, its because I'll be sleeping, shaking and screaming with my Christian brothers and sisters at Easter service. Boy, are you rich!

Furyus George, yeah, and so forth

Starboy · 04-10-2004, 06:46 PM

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I'll assert that quarks are stronger circumstantial evidence for God than are the diversity of religious beliefs evidence that God doesn't exist.

You are a Classic Sky Blue Christian. When asked why the sky is blue the Classic Sky Blue Christian answers that it is because god made it that way. Of course the exact same explanation would work if the sky were any other color. If you are going to invoke the universe as evidence of god then that god is nothing like the god claimed to exist by Christians.

Starboy

Furyus George · 04-10-2004, 07:01 PM

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You are a Classic Sky Blue Christian. When asked why the sky is blue the Classic Sky Blue Christian answers that it is because god made it that way. Of course the exact same explanation would work if the sky were any other color. If you are going to invoke the universe as evidence of god then that god is nothing like the god claimed to exist by Christians.

Starboy

Instead of rendering one of your stock rebuttals to Christianity, why not defend your baseless, illogical assertion that the diversity of religious beliefs is evidence that there is no God in Christianity?

Furyus George, not sidetracked

Starboy · 04-10-2004, 07:05 PM

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Instead of rendering one of your stock rebuttals to Christianity, why not defend your baseless, illogical assertion that the diversity of religious beliefs is evidence that there is no God in Christianity?

Furyus George, not sidetracked

I thought it would be obvious to a person with your keen legal and scientific mind. You see in science when someone makes a claim about something like quarks and independent researchers do not come up with a similar result then that is an indication that something could very well be wrong with the original claim. Such methods are used from toothpaste to cancer treatments. It is a scientific method of the twenty-first century. Perhaps you did not get the memo.

Starboy

Ya know FJ, if you were not such a stock Christian I would not have to resort to such stock answers. Now if you would like to stop with the snide remarks I am ready when you are.

breathilizer · 04-10-2004, 07:10 PM

There was a memo?

Starboy · 04-10-2004, 07:13 PM

Why yes there was. It was called the Enlightenment. It brought us such things as modern science, constitutional democracy and secular society. Things that Christians seem to very keen on destroying.

Starboy

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