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Old 12-07-2004, 06:20 PM   #21
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Well Salieri, yet another one of your ramblings has ended up here.

By now you must be wondering why this keeps happening to you while other theists manage to share their thoughts unabated. Perhaps you'd like to invoke your persuction complex? It's a popular option around here at times.

Regardless, you keep bringing up this idea that either we think Jesus is a lunatic or he is lying. I keep challenging you on this, but you have yet to respond.

Let's try one last time...

According to Jesus, you've been selling poison milk to children. He told me so.

But what's this? You say that isn't true?!? Well, either you think Jesus is lying or he is some kind of lunatic. Which is it?

Please respond in your next post. Remember you only have two options in answering this question, which is in line with the same courtesy you've extended to us.

Thanks. And please do learn to use paragraphs.
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Old 12-08-2004, 12:41 AM   #22
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Once again Salieri fails to present any evidence and gives us nothing but assertions. Given that this doesn't even make a pretense at proving the EoG, I'm going to use my amazing psychic powers to predict a move ~E~ in the near future.
I see the prophecy has come true.

All hail the prophet.

Also, any rumors put out by Sallieri that I am God is greatly exagarated as much of the rest of his claims. It is NOT TRUE.

In any case Weltall's prophetic abilities are here manifested, we even have conclusive evidence thereof.

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Also, any rumors put out by Sallieri that I am God is greatly exagarated as much of the rest of his claims. It is NOT TRUE.

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Unless you can present some serious evidence for your outrageous claim I'm afraid we will have to continue worshipping you, my lord.
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Old 12-08-2004, 11:54 AM   #24
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Salieri, it's fine if you want to start a thread with the same mindless drivel you've been fed, and if you can't refute our arguments. But it would be nice to know you are reading our posts.

Jesus could not have had the impact you allege he had without the help of some key people, first and foremost the Peter and Paul characters. Then there was Emperor Constantine, who actually allowed the Romans to be Christian without fear of persecution, and Charlemagne, without whom there would have been no Holy Roman Empire. Then of course there have been the Popes, the apologists, the martyrs (because a death on the cross was apparently NOT sufficient), Thomas Aquinas, Augustine, C.S. Lewis, and the list goes on and on and on.

How do you think Santa Claus has made such an impact? It obviously has not been Santa himself, but all who have passed the story down.

Oh, and the world is SO MUCH better off now that Jesus has visited. Isn't that what the coming of the Messiah was supposed to accomplish? No wonder the Jews are still waiting...

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He said he would bring a sword and that's exactly what he did!
I love it when Christians try to talk tough. :rolling:

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The human being cannot stand to hear that he is not wonderful, good, loving, intelligent, etc.
The Christian cannot stand to hear that the whole universe was not created just for him.


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Old 12-08-2004, 07:05 PM   #25
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How much of an imact could he have had? I mean, he couldn't weigh more than about 200 kg, even if he was a real porker. Even at 15,000 km/h, I don't think he'd make it through the atmosphere to have any impact at all, much less one as impressive as the Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona.
Well, using your 200kg figure, E = gamma * m * c^2, and 4 * 10^9 joules per ton TNT I get that if he was going at .9999 the speed of light, he'd hit with an energy of over 300000 megatons, which is according to here bigger than what killed the dinosaurs. And if "biggest" requires more, you just need to make it .99999 or maybe .9999999999. Of course, I dunno what effect atmospheric disintegration would have on that energy, but I suppose God could just have created him with relativistic velocity, ex nihilo, in the manger...

Problem is we don't have much evidence for that from the Romans, but then, the Egyptians and Chinese covered up the flood, so this isn't much more of a stretch.

[by entering 1/sqrt(1-.9999^2) * 200 * (3 * 10^8)^2 /(4*10^9 * 10^6) into google calculator, in case anyone wants to check my math]
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Also, any rumors put out by Sallieri that I am God is greatly exagarated as much of the rest of his claims. It is NOT TRUE.
Only the true messiah denies his divinity...

FOLLOW THE GOURD!
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Old 12-09-2004, 04:43 AM   #27
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If anyone is offended, I apologize, but this Salieri guy gets me hopping mad, and I'm writing this to let off some steam. The things that I write here are my own opinions, please tell me if I have stated some things wrong.

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No one has had the impact on the world that Jesus Christ has.
Where did this statement come from?

Mohammed had as much impact on the world as did Jesus. Look at the world.

Western Christianity is even so arrogant of giving Yeshua a Latin name, just because this man is allegedly the son of God.

Jesus was a Judaist Rabbi, who had some new ideas according to his religion. He started thinking for himself, understanding that Judaism wasn't going the right way, and demanded change.

The conviction of religious people does not come from the existence of this "divine" entity called God. No, it's indoctrinated starting mostly at early childhood.

If you wish to understand (and I'm not sure you would like to, Salieri), religion is very easy to explain if you would study behavioral biology.
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Old 12-09-2004, 05:32 AM   #28
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Right.

So Muhammed was telling the truth too was he? Rev Jim Jones? Atheist reaction is obviously the best guide.

If Christ comes down off his cloud and starts lecturing about swords and sin, I promise to give him a fair hearing. Until then, I'm not interested thank you.

Good day!
Of course you're interested or you wouldn't even BE here! Atheists aruge as fervently AGAINST Christ as Christians argue FOR Him! And THAT is a fact no matter how much you try to deny it.
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If anyone is offended, I apologize, but this Salieri guy gets me hopping mad, and I'm writing this to let off some steam. The things that I write here are my own opinions, please tell me if I have stated some things wrong.



Where did this statement come from?

Mohammed had as much impact on the world as did Jesus. Look at the world.

Western Christianity is even so arrogant of giving Yeshua a Latin name, just because this man is allegedly the son of God.

Jesus was a Judaist Rabbi, who had some new ideas according to his religion. He started thinking for himself, understanding that Judaism wasn't going the right way, and demanded change.

The conviction of religious people does not come from the existence of this "divine" entity called God. No, it's indoctrinated starting mostly at early childhood.

If you wish to understand (and I'm not sure you would like to, Salieri), religion is very easy to explain if you would study behavioral biology.
You've proven my point, my friend. The fact that you're hopping mad shows exactly the impact that Christ has on the world! People were hopping mad at Christ to the point of murder. If he were delusional, he would have been dismissed a LONG time ago. But Christ affects you just as much as he affects his followers. Jesus prophesised that the world would react to Him this way and again he was right! This also proves that God's word does NOT go away empty. it either leads to salvation or rage. Why do you get offended at something you KNOW isn't true?
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You've proven my point, my friend. The fact that you're hopping mad shows exactly the impact that Christ has on the world! People were hopping mad at Christ to the point of murder. If he were delusional, he would have been dismissed a LONG time ago. But Christ affects you just as much as he affects his followers. Jesus prophesised that the world would react to Him this way and again he was right! This also proves that God's word does NOT go away empty. it either leads to salvation or rage. Why do you get offended at something you KNOW isn't true?
You never do bother to pay attention do you Salieri?

It should be obvious from reading biomed's post that he/she is not a recovering ex-christian. So please try re-reading biomed's posts whilst bearing in mind that biomed is not a former christian but is instead recovering from being brounght up in one of the other Abrahamic religions.

And just to be optimistic, here's yet another question for you, Salieri, that you will no doubt ignore: Please explain and defend why you think that your Jesus (sic) has had more impact on this world than Mohammed (puhug)? After all, Mohammed has managed to get something like 1,000 million people to stop work five times a day, every day, just so that they can f-off and do some basic aerobic exercises. How many times a day do you stop your work to prostrate yourself before your god, Salieri?

Thanks in advance

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