Splarnst

THOUSANDS. THOUSANDS. THOUSANDS. I'll repeat it until you understand it. How in the world can you think I never prayed those things? THOUSANDS.

aa5874

Why does the Bible make God look so bad? Why did the Bible say he drowned everyone, including babies in over 10, 000 feet of water, except Noah and his family?

Supersport, if you had children and some of them were evil and you were God, would you drown all of them or would you leave the babies?

You don't have to accept anything you do not understand. Now, you say you made a heart-felt prayer, I am not sure if your heart can feel a prayer. And, by the way when you pray, you are actually talking to yourself, apparently talking to yourself makes you feel good.

However, don't take my word, because you will find out for yourself, the Christian Gods are improbable.

or gino fli fe

supersport, Most of those "myseteries" are addressed in a month's worth of programming on the Science Channel, but that really is beside the point. You're argument (or at least your conclusion) is intrinsically flawed. Even if the origin of the moon is a mystery (btw, a prevailing theory is that an object the size of Mars slammed into a much younger Earth, twice--this has actually been simulated), it does prove that a god exists. Indeed, if ever the origin of life (one of you're few authentic mysterious) is discovered, it will say nothing of the existence of a god or gods. You can't go around throwing god into every thing you don't know and god can't exist only between the margins of scientific certainties (and as I alluded to ealier, a lot of your so-called mysteries have plausible secular explanations). At best your argument points toward agnosticism.

curbyIII

Amen.

lpetrich

So your solution is Goddidit?

And why not the deities of other creeds? Or demons? Or elves? Or fairies?

If you visited a museum of watches, would you conclude that every single one of them had been designed by a single perfect super designer?

How well did you try to understand it?

How is that supposed to exclude evolution?

(Nazi mass murders and the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami)

An entity that allows something to happen when it could stop that something happening is responsible by omission.

And what kind of entity is it who is so solicitious of the free will of murderers? Especially since that entity could program us to be psychologically incapable of committing murder.

And what human free will was responsible for the 2004 tsunami?

However, if free will leads to committing sins, then it is best done without. Just as Jesus Christ had taught about body parts -- if they make one commit sins, then remove them.

I'm not angry; I marvel at the willingness to make excuses for an allegedly omnimax entity.

purple_kathryn

You know I don't really understand how my computer works - doesn't mean it was made by god....Seriously, you gotta try a little harder!

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams

Sounder

Many of these are not mysteries. As for the rest, the solution is to seek answers, not invoke a figment of your imagination. Progress and knowledge are not obtained that way. Then again, knowledge has always been poisonous to religion, so I can understand if you would villify the scientific pursuit.

"Love's" origin is when man invented the word to describe instintual bonds we develop with other beings. The term "love" is an abstract, and is useless. The underlying biochemical programming in our brains which drives our societies is not, and much is known about it.

Read a biology publication sometime.

Same thing.


And by the way...

Because jesus makes it taste good, obviously.

...unless you were born without taste buds. Then Jesus hates you.

Quit relishing abstract words and principles with simple real explanations. This is silly.

Don't tell me: we atheists make a leap of faith when we say there is no god.

Faith is poison. Faith is morally evil. Atheists remain in a position of skepticism, without faith in god or his non-existence. Should god ever demonstrate his existence, then will we KNOW of him, but until then it is as irrational to believe in a god as it is to believe in anything else there is no positive evidence for.

God wouldn't have to direct weather patterns, for it is an automated system. Nor would he direct orbits, for they are also automated. The list goes on.

Every shred of knowledge we have of the universe says that it goes undirected. If there is a god, he created a fully automated universe.


Of course it's obvious to you: you started with the presumption that he exists, and made the rest of your logical conclusions from that starting point.

It doesn't have to explain miracles: they don't exist. Your miracle is the rest of the world's scientific mystery.

So your pastor/family brainwashed you into believing that evolution is atheistic, then? Pity.

Sounder

Tell that to the millions of people he slaughtered in the old testament. Respect for free will my ass.

Asha'man

Free will is utter bullshit. It's an excuse for god's utter inability or indifference, nothing more.

If you had actually read your Bible, you'd find that god demands obedience over everything else, that he's willing to kill and slaughter anyone who does not obey his laws. He tramples all over free will in every other story, even to the point of using extortion and mind control on people.

Go read the story of Moses negotiating with Pharaoh, and see how god manipulates Pharaoh's thinking over and over and over again. Tell me how that doesn't disprove the whole concept of free will in one perfect example.

Since the real world shows absolutely no indications of god's actions as portrayed in the myths of the Bible, brainwashed Christians desperately sought an excuse. Free will was the best they could come up with, even though it's a total failure when observed objectively.

purple_kathryn

Besides which a lot of xians believe god has a plan for us all. If there's a plan there's no freewill. You can't have both.