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jakejonesiv · 11-23-2005, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Orthodox_Freethinker

For example, the slight contradictions between the Gospels should not go unnoticed.
The Gospels, for example, may contradict each other in the small details of the resurrection story but they at least agree that it happened.
However, this only helps the case that the Gospels were independent reporters who did not collaborate with each other.

Peace.

No, contradictions do not help the case of the gospels.
According to the words attributed to Jesus in Luke 16:10, if you can't trust the little things, you can't trust the bigger. :devil3:

Jake Jones

achristianbeliever · 11-23-2005, 07:08 AM

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Matthew and Luke had no baseline to make their new fabrications line up with each other, so they diverge into completely different directions. Examine the birth narratives and genealogies of Jesus, they are utterly different.

yep because Matthew says the parents were Mary and Joseph and Luke says they were....ummm....Mary and Joseph. Matthew says Jesus was born in Bethlehem and Luke says he was born in....oh wait Bethlehem. Yep couldn't be more different.

el creyente · 11-23-2005, 07:40 AM

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yep because Matthew says the parents were Mary and Joseph and Luke says they were....ummm....Mary and Joseph.

Wow. This is a new one to me. So you're saying that both narratives explain how a sperm from Joseph fertilized an egg from Mary to conceive the Baby Jesus? I don't remember anything quite like that....

And while you're at it, can you tell me what both narratives say who the father of Joseph was? Much thanks.

el creyente · 11-23-2005, 08:02 AM

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And while you're at it, can you tell me what both narratives say who the father of Joseph was? Much thanks.

On second thought, please don't. I do not want to derail this thread. Sorry Jack.

Asha'man · 11-23-2005, 02:13 PM

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yep because Matthew says the parents were Mary and Joseph and Luke says they were....ummm....Mary and Joseph. Matthew says Jesus was born in Bethlehem and Luke says he was born in....oh wait Bethlehem. Yep couldn't be more different.

First of all, neither one says Joseph was Jesus' father. But who was Joseph's father, Jacob or Heli? And who was his grandfather, and great grandfather? And how many generations were there between Joseph and David? And was Joseph a descendant through a cursed line or not? Was he a descendant through Solomon or not? It's all right there in black and white, twice.

And why are we listing the genealogy of a man who was unrelated to Jesus by blood?

The problem is probably that you are reading what you want to see, and not the text that is on the page. You assume that there can't be a problem, so you ignore anything that looks like a problem.

mata leao · 11-23-2005, 03:35 PM

all of the Bible is divinely inspired. that's why we are all here fighting about it and not over on the iliad board fighting about the iliad. There is spiritual authority, spiritual power behind the Bible. It gets under atheists' skins!!!

Orthodox_Freethinker · 11-23-2005, 03:43 PM

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You really don't understand the synoptic problem, do you?

The synoptic problem is one hypothesis among others, one of them being that Matthew was the original Gospel with Mark being an abridged version of Matthew.

Peace.

Orthodox_Freethinker · 11-23-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jakejonesiv

No, contradictions do not help the case of the gospels.

The contradictions are not in the actual teachings or deeds of Christ but, for example, in how many angels were present at the resurrection. What is important is that the Gospels agree that the resurrection historically took place.

Peace.

someotherguy · 11-23-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

all of the Bible is divinely inspired. that's why we are all here fighting about it and not over on the iliad board fighting about the iliad. There is spiritual authority, spiritual power behind the Bible. It gets under atheists' skins!!!

Nonsense. Many people here and elsewhere also debate about whether or not the Koran is divinely inspired. Does that means that the Koran has spiritual power behind it too?

mata leao · 11-23-2005, 03:48 PM

nobody here spends much time debating about the Koran...you are full of it! show us who/where, show us the detailed threads, you wont be able to! <edit>

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mata leao Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: tampa,florida Posts: 342	all of the Bible is divinely inspired. that's why we are all here fighting about it and not over on the iliad board fighting about the iliad. There is spiritual authority, spiritual power behind the Bible. It gets under atheists' skins!!!

11-23-2005, 03:48 PM	#30
mata leao Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: tampa,florida Posts: 342	nobody here spends much time debating about the Koran...you are full of it! show us who/where, show us the detailed threads, you wont be able to! <edit>

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