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Amie · 02-12-2003, 09:03 PM

Hi Gemma
I think all that you listed would benefit catholics to some extent, but I would go with getting rid of that pesky "no birth control" stance...
I think we'll see married clergy in the church before we see female priests, what do you think? I would like to see both happen, but not under this pope it seems...

Thanatoast · 02-12-2003, 10:02 PM

I voted for abolishing the ban on birth control, but perhaps I should have chosen "other". In this case, I would chose "eliminate Papal infallibility", since this is largely the reason for the b.c. ban. That and so many other silly decisions produced by a single man are supposed to be written in stone for eternity?

Truly daft.

Sephiroth · 02-12-2003, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amos
Don't be silly, you don't really it (the HS) "caught" do you? So if it didn't what the hell do you care? I mean, it was just sacramental and that is just there for you to discover and you don't have to if you don't want to.

It took me a minute to figure out what you typed. Presuming I interpreted your post correctly here are the answers;

a)My parents forced me to get confirmed or I would get kicked out of home. Nice religious tolerance, eh?

b)I care because I'm counted as a confirmed Catholic by the church and there's no way to get my name off their list of members as I understand. Why does this tick me off? Because (no offense to Catholics) I despise the Vatican for reasons that can be found in other posts.

Triple Six · 02-12-2003, 11:16 PM

Other

As in become an atheist and discard the mind numbing rot and doctrines of this (and any other) religion.

Trust me, its better to make your own decisions based on current data than to rely on the thoughts of uninformed ancients and old men who have never had sex (with a woman that is

)

Godless Sodomite · 02-13-2003, 05:55 AM

Other! I'm not at all interested in helping the Catholic church do anything but march towards extinction.

No more fucking popes!

-Jerry

Mediancat · 02-13-2003, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sephiroth

I care because I'm counted as a confirmed Catholic by the church and there's no way to get my name off their list of members as I understand. Why does this tick me off? Because (no offense to Catholics) I despise the Vatican for reasons that can be found in other posts.

-- Well, if you want to get yourself excommunicated, it sounds like a bit of a job of work, but here's what Cecil Adams suggests:

Straight Dope on getting excommunicated

"If you're already out--that is, if you don't partake of the sacraments or otherwise participate in Catholic activities (I assume this describes your situation)--excommunication is likely to strike church authorities as a waste of good holy water."

Rob aka Mediancat

Vorkosigan · 02-13-2003, 06:16 AM

Deconversion.

Rhea · 02-13-2003, 06:22 AM

Note - from what I can tell, ex-communication does not make you NOT CATHOLIC. It makes you a Catholic who may not practice sacrements. You are still a Catholic, according to the Catholics. Just an eternally bad one. According to what I have read on Catholic catechism sites. (i.e. translations of the pope's rules)

Infinity Lover · 02-13-2003, 06:46 AM

...though of the above the birthcontroll one would be on the top of the list.

Godless Dave · 02-13-2003, 07:40 AM

I voted for a more democratic system because I think with that in place most of the rest would follow. One of the sadder aspects of the Catholic Church is its authoritarianism. The pope, cardinals, bishops, and many priests are more interested in preserving the institution and the power and money that comes with it than in the welfare of the Catholic laity. What's sad is that Catholics go along with it. I can't imagine willingly giving another man that kind of authority over me.

View Poll Results: What would most benefit Catholics?
Women clergy	2	1.74%
Married clergy	19	16.52%
Abolishing ban on birth control	34	29.57%
Acceptance of homosexuality	3	2.61%
A more democratic system	14	12.17%
Other (please specify)	43	37.39%
Voters: 115. You may not vote on this poll

02-13-2003, 06:46 AM	#19
Infinity Lover Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,047	Other; as in all off the above... ...though of the above the birthcontroll one would be on the top of the list.

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02-12-2003, 09:03 PM	#11
Amie Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York Posts: 1,626	Hi Gemma I think all that you listed would benefit catholics to some extent, but I would go with getting rid of that pesky "no birth control" stance... I think we'll see married clergy in the church before we see female priests, what do you think? I would like to see both happen, but not under this pope it seems...

02-12-2003, 10:02 PM	#12
Thanatoast Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 3,966	I voted for abolishing the ban on birth control, but perhaps I should have chosen "other". In this case, I would chose "eliminate Papal infallibility", since this is largely the reason for the b.c. ban. That and so many other silly decisions produced by a single man are supposed to be written in stone for eternity? Truly daft.

02-12-2003, 11:16 PM	#14
Triple Six Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: formerly Lae, Papua New Guinea Posts: 1,867	Other As in become an atheist and discard the mind numbing rot and doctrines of this (and any other) religion. Trust me, its better to make your own decisions based on current data than to rely on the thoughts of uninformed ancients and old men who have never had sex (with a woman that is )

02-13-2003, 05:55 AM	#15
Godless Sodomite Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: New York Posts: 453	Other! I'm not at all interested in helping the Catholic church do anything but march towards extinction. No more fucking popes! -Jerry

02-13-2003, 06:16 AM	#17
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Deconversion.

02-13-2003, 06:22 AM	#18
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	Note - from what I can tell, ex-communication does not make you NOT CATHOLIC. It makes you a Catholic who may not practice sacrements. You are still a Catholic, according to the Catholics. Just an eternally bad one. According to what I have read on Catholic catechism sites. (i.e. translations of the pope's rules)

02-13-2003, 07:40 AM	#20
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	I voted for a more democratic system because I think with that in place most of the rest would follow. One of the sadder aspects of the Catholic Church is its authoritarianism. The pope, cardinals, bishops, and many priests are more interested in preserving the institution and the power and money that comes with it than in the welfare of the Catholic laity. What's sad is that Catholics go along with it. I can't imagine willingly giving another man that kind of authority over me.

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