Littlejohn

"..A man of culture? You don't have oi get insulting. I am ordinary.."

But, I don't understand... From your profile: Occupation: engineer...

Frankly I don't understand...What, all this, has to do with research on the historical Jesus?....

All this goes up ONLY for the Jesus of faith, which is virtually nonexistent on the historical level, so much it is different from the REAL one: ie the Jesus of History! ..

"..It is my conjecture. There is no proof to be found in any of the scriptures. I object to a conclusion of absolute certainty..."

You can formulate an infinite number of hypothesis.... However, only a serious research can lead us to historical truth.

You base your negative judgments only for 'hearsay', and with this 'method' no sensible person can formulate judgments ... It is necessary to work and study much harshly, to say something with knowledge of the facts! ... They are over 16 years that I sacrifice myself for this ...


Littlejohn

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steve_bnk

The cultured side as I sense you mean of me ends with Pirates Of Pendance. I grew up in American culture. Burgers, french fries, and Rock and Roll. Later Gerswin, Copland, Jazz. American 'opera' like An American In Paris. Art in general to me is frou frou as is the idea of cultured.

Aanyone can make conjectures based on line of reasoning, but such is not proof. Unless perhaps you channel Edgar Cayce.

Sheshbazzar

Unfortunately, one who went to his grave with the shit of his dishonesty all over his hands.
Oh yeah... the "really extraordinary!" real prophecy' that set your shorts on fire, but which you have now apparently became too ashamed of to even present it.

icardfacepalm: Well there it is folks
Try to do a guy a favor....

Oh well, If you wish to totally undermine and destroy any crediblity for all of your lifes work by association with that kind of fraudulent gimcracery no one here can stop you.

All of your previous post here are still on file, and quite easily accessable, including where you told us how you had been neglecting your family.
Even in this thread 14 hours a day? at your computer?
That is sick Littlejohn. And is extremely bad for your cardiac (heart) health.
It won't help you get your book publised if you kill yourself before your time.
Perhaps you should be scheduling a few of those hours with a Shrink (Psychiatrist).

And what are you doing? Simply searching for more of this insane source material that will further support for your preconceptions.

Do you even know what the term "confirmation bias" means?
and how it distorts, and can render ones most deeply held conclusions invalid?

Real scholars, and others here DO KNOW exactly what confirmation bias means.
And you are displaying what is perhaps the most extreme case of 'confirmation bias' to appear on this Forum in years. ('Adam' here runs a close second.)

Now I am certain, that over the years, and with all of that study and effort you have expended, that there is in that accumulated bag of knowledge and material, things that are factual, things that are important, and information that would prove to be quite valuable information to all historical scholars.
But even if your book gets published we will likely still never know what you have, that was really important, because you will have it so deeply buried under huge loads of fraudulent horse-shit from the likes of Kardek, Cayce, and every other crackpot and fraud that ever existed, that it will never come to light.
We can point this problem out to you, but no one can stop you from doing this to yourself, except yourself.


I am not here to trash you, or your work, but placed as a helpful malakh to point the way.
For every purpose under heaven there is as season; A time to gather, and a time to cast away of that which has been gathered;

An unsolicited yet kindly word of advice from a fellow wayfarer.
The path ahead is steep, rocky, and trecherous. A man who is wise will set down his bundle, and go through it, reserving only the essentials and casting aside the excess.

You have came far, yet there is further to go. You have done well, but you can do better, for there is better yet to be done.

Were it but the voice of a braying ass in The Way, would you at all regard it?
m'Bein a'tha ha'devarim ha'alah?

Sheshbazzar The Hebrew

Littlejohn

In focus:

At this point I think you feign to no understand ... You talk as if my studies were based ONLY on what you put in prominence, ie the 'spiritualist' aspect ... Is it possible that you can not acknowledge that for me this ONLY was a MERE APPENDAGE? ....

A statement by Allan Kardec has comforted me in my research and encouraged me to continue with greater vigor, while the claims, or 'visions' (if you want so call them), of Edgar Cayce have me 'lead', so to speak, towards one aspect which has also been fully confirmed by my subsequent researches!

If your Lithuanian professor was a truly intelligent person, can not have not guessed, thanks to Cayce, what I guessed even! ...


Littlejohn

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".. Faith leads men to the feet of other men; the reason and the
search for truth them leads closer to God. I do not know what
He is, but I know what He is not... Search you the truth, and it
will make you free and you will understand what is not God..."

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Littlejohn

"..If you wish to totally undermine and destroy any crediblity for all of your lifes work.."

If after all that I have written, you continue to press this 'key', it means that you or you are a mere provocateur, who is interested only to denigrate and deny, to the bitter end, all that I'm exposing, without the slightest knowledge of the facts, or you are really like a 'simple' guy, unable to acknowledge what any sensible person would be able to understand

Anyway, listen this:

I can discuss with you, and everyone else in this forum, about WHO Jesus WAS, NOT whether he was or not, namely whether he existed or not!..

These speeches do not make sense to me, because the proponents of the thesis 'no historical existence of Jesus', myticists or other, are forced to reject and/or arbitrarily to 'empty' of trust an infinity of data and concrete aspects, starting from inalienable and irrepressible rabbinic and mandaean testimonies, continuing then with the over 70 Gnostic sects, present in the empire of the second century a.d.

There has need a REALLY TWISTED mind, to think that could have been born so many Gnostic sects if Jesus had never existed!..

Again: to consider that the false 'Testimonium Flavianum' it was packaged ONLY to strengthen the historicity of Jesus, in a period when NO ONE questioned it (see Hierocles, Porphyry, Julian the Apostate, etc..) it is not only an absurd, but very silly thing! ... In fact, the Testimonium Flavianum was written ONLY to put in the mouth of the JEW historian Josephus, the claim that Jesus was MORE WHAT A MAN! ...(ie a trascendent being)

What REALLY came challenged, since the mid-third century (*), was the supposed 'divinity' of Jesus, NOT his historical existence!

Calling a JEW HISTORIAN, as Josephus, to tell that Jesus was MORE WHAT A MAN, to the forger clergy of the time must have seemed like a very convincing proof.

"..Perhaps you should be scheduling a few of those hours with a Shrink (Psychiatrist)..."

I had the good manners not to raise this issue, but since you, instead, you have raised it, then I can tell you with absolute certainty, that if there is anyone here in the forums FRDB that needs a good psychiatrist, the one ARE YOU! .. A 'normal' person can be so even obtuse, but when you reach levels as your own, then there is much to worry about ....

If you like to discuss only on the existence or not of Jesus, then you need to find another 'client' ... I have many things yet to be exhibited, and I think that besides you there are also people who are interested instead to follow what I going to expose.

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(*) - When the emperor Decius put in difficulty the apparatus Christian clergyman, who until then had enjoyed undoubted privileges (in spite of hallucinating lies of the counterfeiter fathers about the alleged 'Christian martyrs'), having been the cult 'catholic-Christian' an EMANATION of secular power of the second century ad.
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Sheshbazzar

We meet, we have spoken, we move on.
I have nothing more to say to you.

Littlejohn

Very well!..

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Littlejohn

I would add again: for the pleasure of helping people understand the truth and get rid of slavery induced by ultra-millenary plagiarism of a clergy among the most cynical and more bloody of all history: that catholic-christian!


Littlejohn

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Grog

You have been set aside for a personal revelation. How honored you must feel.

Grog

This has been fascinating. Thank you for your time and interesting perspective.