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Jehanne · 07-13-2006, 08:34 AM

http://www.interacademies.net/CMS/6159.aspx

Jehanne · 07-14-2006, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jehanne

http://www.interacademies.net/CMS/6159.aspx

No comments from any creationists? IDers? ("Going once...")

Evoken · 07-14-2006, 06:26 AM

I believe that if you are looking for IDers/Creationists responses to this, you are on the wrong board.

Why don't you post it in the www.arn.org forums?

http://www.arn.org/ubbthreads/postli...Cat=0&Board=13

Valz

Coragyps · 07-14-2006, 06:54 AM

That is rather an impressive list of signatories.....

Jehanne · 07-14-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Valz

I believe that if you are looking for IDers/Creationists responses to this, you are on the wrong board.

Why don't you post it in the www.arn.org forums?

http://www.arn.org/ubbthreads/postli...Cat=0&Board=13

Valz

I only post on the IIDB, and to an extent, on Alt.Atheism, but principally, I post here. I do not usually "hang out" in this forum, but I believe that I have seen some posts by creationists.

Evoken · 07-14-2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jehanne

I only post on the IIDB, and to an extent, on Alt.Atheism, but principally, I post here. I do not usually "hang out" in this forum, but I believe that I have seen some posts by creationists.

Well if you are interested, I gave the link to a creationist im currently talking to and he said that I was "trying the "argument by authority".

Valz

Jehanne · 07-14-2006, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Valz

Well if you are interested, I gave the link to a creationist im currently talking to and he said that I was "trying the "argument by authority".

Valz

Too bad he doesn't post here! That statement is just absurd. It strains all limits of credulity. One need just look at the many cultural, social, and political differences between various countries and cultures to see just how stupid that statement is! Just try and get 10 people in a room and get them to agree about anything, especially some contentious issue. Yet, in Science, and in particular, evolutionary theory, there exists this very strong agreement across "space and time" (no pun intended) between and among scientists, most of whom have never met each other!

I remember reading an article in Sky & Telescope back in 2000 about five research groups who showed-up at an American Astronomical Society convention, presenting research on the age of the Universe. Three of the five groups were unaware of each other's research and all five groups used independent and different techniques to date the age of the Universe. And yet, they all got the same value within their derived "confidence intervals"! Argument from authority? Not.

post tenebras lux · 07-14-2006, 07:36 AM

As I mentioned in an earlier thread on this statement (here), the creationists - and their apologists - will just quote mine, cherry pick and spin it.

For example:

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Originally Posted by bbc story

Steve Fuller, a professor of sociology at the University of Warwick, UK, was an expert witness at the trial, defending the right to teach alternatives to evolution.

He commented on the statement: "I think it is pretty mild, in the sense that the only people who will take serious exception are the biblical literalist, six-day creationist-type people.

"The words evolve and evolution here are used without any content," he said. "They do not actually say anything about the explanation or the causal mechanisms that are involved in all of this development of life that has occurred over all of these billions of years.

"It really doesn't hit on the kinds of issues that would separate either contesting schools within evolutionary theory or evolution versus intelligent design."

I guess the poor dear has trouble with his reading comprehension:

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Originally Posted by actual statement

scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and to foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet.
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

Evoken · 07-14-2006, 07:38 AM

Yeah, you and I can agree on that, but when the creationist thinks that there is a massive conspiracy behind it all there isn't much one can do.

Valz

Evoken · 07-14-2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by post tenebras lux

As I mentioned in an earlier thread on this statement (here), the creationists - and their apologists - will just quote mine, cherry pick and spin it.

Yes, the thing is that the statement does not explicitly says anything about Natural Selection and Random Mutations as the means of Evolution. Many IDers have no problem with Evolution per se but with NS and RM. And that is what ID focuses it's criticism on, specially when it comes to IC.

Valz

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07-14-2006, 06:26 AM	#3
Evoken Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: ............. Posts: 2,914	I believe that if you are looking for IDers/Creationists responses to this, you are on the wrong board. Why don't you post it in the www.arn.org forums? http://www.arn.org/ubbthreads/postli...Cat=0&Board=13 Valz

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Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	That is rather an impressive list of signatories.....

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Evoken Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: ............. Posts: 2,914	Yeah, you and I can agree on that, but when the creationist thinks that there is a massive conspiracy behind it all there isn't much one can do. Valz

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