gregor

Not only did people in the OT live longer than we do today, those in the NT ran much faster. They would put Michael Johnson to shame.

In fact, the tomb must have appeared like the Penn Relays that day back in 33 C.E. as Mary Mag runs up to the tomb one time with her friend, runs back up later with two other women, runs with an apostle or two a third time.

Then other folks are just running around the tomb, too. First, no angel, then one angel, then two angel, then Jesus appears and disappears.

They're problably bumping into all the dead bodies that rose from the grave on Friday.

Then people are running to Gallilee and Jerusalem.

I mean those people could move.

Steven Carr

The most brazen explanation is a bare-faced denial that the women in Matthew 28:5 included the women referred to earlier.


http://www.tektonics.org/tillmagged.html

Amos

Much more credible. Mary Theotokos and Mary M are the same but not until after Assumtion because Mary M is assumed into heaven. The scene here at the tomb is significant and leads to that event.

It should be understood that Mary the mother of God never left heaven and therefore remained sinless and Jesus became the Alpha and the Omega because the two Mary's had united into one and therefore Jesus could speak of the old and the new (Alpha is old and from Alpha to Omega is new). Mary Theotokos gave birth to and later met Jesus at the gates of purgatory (her introduction was at the wedding in Cana--which is the equivalent of the Temptation in the desert of Matthew), and did her work from behind the scene because of the free will appearance of the event.

I would object to the word pseudonym because that suggests a degree of independence and that is the last thing the epitome of womanhood sought.

offa

Offa in regards,
As always, Amos, I read your posts with pleasure. I hope that I
can reach your level someday ... but, alas, I remain incredibly
stupid! I have you snipped below. I mean, I would never want to
misrepresent when I am cutting and pasting.

Amos

You may call it a contradiction but many questions must be answered
before we can rightfully say that. For example,

Why did Mary M run to tell Peter and the other disciple?

Offa in reply, "Because she had already visited the cave and talked
to her husband, 'Jesus', after she mistook him for James. Magdalene
visited the tomb earlier and mistook Jesus for the 'Gardener'. At the
time of this encounter she believed that Jesus was dead. Jesus WAS the
Gardener (Adam and the garden, most senior of the clan) but with his
death his younger brother James becomes the Gardener. This younger
brother inheriting the seniority becomes Joseph of Arithmathea. Mary
had visited the 'tomb' and left, when she returned Jesus was no longer
there, but, Simon Magus (Lazarus) was. Simon was crucified alongside
of Jesus (as was Judas Iscariot). Simon Magus was previously the
chief priest (father, not GOD) and he wore a turbine made of a cloth
called soudarion, the headcloth of a priest. He was the "ANGEL"
sitting on the stone that was rolled away. When Mary discovered that
her "very alive" husband was no longer entombed she ran to ask Peter
where the hell he was.
Note that John was the first gospel written. John is
revealing. John does not pretend to be super natural. John
is cold ... cold... cold. John reveals that there were two Mary's
with one being Magdalene and the other being the VIRGIN (with at least
seven children) stationed beneath the cross. This revelation tells us
that Cleophas was Joseph. These cousins of Jesus turn out to be his
siblings!

Primordial Groove

The contradictions are certainly there for all to see.

I saw a television show about May M. IT made the case that she wasn't the whore as portrayed in todays bable but she was possibly another apostle. Mary M. seemed to have a close relationship with Jesus and he shared things wth her that made other apostles (Peter) angry.
After men had cemented their rulership over the movement, they were able to lie and subvert her role to that of a whore. This supposedly was done so that women could not point to Mary M. and use her as justification in attaining a staus of power in the church.

I saw this on the Discovery channel. Ancient Evidence is the name of the show.

Amos

Hi offa, interesting but I find it difficult to respond to your post because I don't have any of your knowledge about the details you added to the story. Also, the bible doesn't tell us that Mary Magdalene had been to the tomb earlier and I don't see a need for that. In my view the two angels she saw were the Mary and Christ because they were stationned at the entrance of Eden when Adam (here described as the crucified gardner) was first banned from the garden of Eden. Don't forget here that Magdalene was 'blond' and very naive towards this event.

Magdalenes predicament was that her only partner in life was gone (the Jesus identity was based on the faculty of reason) and she called upon 'faith' and 'intuition' to find out what had happened to him . . . which is why John outran Peter but waited for Peter to enter before John could absorb the event and understand what had happened to Jesus (faith seeking understanding). A point to remember here is that if Christ was the second Adam Jesus was the first Adam and this would make Magdalene the first Eve now soon to become united with the second Eve (they were at emnity with each other until the annunciation (from Gen.2:15).

The faculty of reason is the Tree of Knowledge and Eve was in charge of that tree. Mary is in charge of the Tree of Life (which is the equivalent of our soul from where we draw intuit memory). Mary is therefore the Alpha and because she saw that the TOK was good for gaining wisdon, beauty and food (Gen.3:6), she needed a lesser serpent to first create and later enslave the ego identity to the search of worldly riches (power, wealth and beauty as described in Gen.2:12), and this accumilation becomes what is added between the Alpha and Omega (journey of life).

John is cold because John is gnostic but ever so hot if known--which is a common misperception about gnostics who appear cold because they are in charge of their emotions.

The tomb was hewn by Joseph and was "nearby" and "never been used" because Jesus was the reborn Joseph. The tomb was hewn by Joseph [the carpenter] while he was building the ark that got him thusfar in life because you can't create life out of life without death being part of it. Both "ark building" and "tomb hewing" are opposite metaphors for the same thing (much like the Wedding in Cana and the Temptation in the Desert are the same events but as seen from the opposite side of the fence).

Thanks for the link Toto, I have it bookmarked and will read it (that's probably the first thing I should have done, darn it).

Why is there no contradiction? Because Matthew reports on behalf of Judaism and can only write how he perceived the event. The thunder and lightning report of Matthew indicates that metaphysics is beyond religion, as it must be, or religion itself would have no purpose (other than being a social club for the faint hearted).

Amos

There are Cathedrals built in her honor and the Madeleine in Paris is one of those. It is strikingly beautifull and really does represent her character which is most opposite to the Notre Dame also in Paris.

Conchobar

The Talmudic version is that Miriam of Magdala was the mother of Jesus ben Pandira of a century before the Mythical Christ during the reign of King Alexander Jannaeus. This Miriam was Jesus' mother. Jesus studied sorcery in Egypt, and performed great works of miracles and curing illness. He was convicted by the Jews of Sorcery, and stoned to death. Then he was left to hang on a tree. This was a century before the Romans came in.

Massey or Robertson years ago alluded to the existence of a Jesus cult in Palestine before the birth of Jesus of Nazareth.

But the Time magazine artical the telly special both give a different Mary of Magdala. She is portrayed as the "beloved Apostle of the Gospels." She was the closest confidant of Jesus of Nazareth. Peter was rather anti-woman and along with anti-Woman Paul carried out a very successful smear campaign to spread the lie that she was a prostitute. In fact she may have been the lover (sexual and otherwise) of Jesus.

What people also fail to notice is the words of John. Jesus, according to John, did say, addressing Mary Magdalene, (John 20:17) "...but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my GOD, and your GOD."

He clearly states his (Jesus') relation to God was the same as that of Mary of Magdala. He and Mary of Magdala considered God to be both my (our) God and my (our) Father. We normally don't refer to Mary as the Daughter of God. God is everyone's Father. But Jesus himself, Mary Magdala (the apostle Jesus loved) and the brethren all considered “God” as their God.

The recent issue of Time Magazine has a very interesting article on Mary of Magdala. It is a discussion of several scholarly works about who she really was.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...472868,00.html

Gnostic Gospels including the Gospel of Philip and the Gospel of Mary, suggest that she was chosen by Jesus to be the next prophet to succeed him. There are apparently two references to Mary and Jesus being married. One apparently suggests a child or children of the Messiah by Mary.

They dispute the slander that she was a prostitute but a woman from a wealthy family in Galilee. Jesus drove out 7 daemons from her and she followed him afterward, to the extent of being called his "companion."

Read the article and make your own opinion. Interestingly Reformationist Martin Luther knew about the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and believed it. Also Brigham Young also believed in the marriage.

The Merovingian Kings of France or the Franks claimed that their dynasty was descended from a child of Jesus and Mary. The late Princess Diana of Wales apparently was aware of this story, but I don't know if she believed it. She was a descendent of Merovingian Kings.

Apparently after the Early Church of Jesus was usurped by anti-female followers of Paul and later "Church Fathers" all of whom had anti-female emotions. After they took power under Constantine the older original Christians were eliminated in favour of the Athanasian Trinitarians.

Naturally the Church excludes the Gnostic Gospels from the Catholic Bible (which is the Orthodox and Protestant Bibles). The Church forbade women from preaching and the priesthood, confining them into the secondary role as servants (nuns.) It is all I know about this, what I read in the Time article. I hope some of you hear are more expert on the Gnostic Gospels and can enlighten me. I would like to know what secrets the Church fears they will uncover.

Maybe Martin Scorsese had it closer than we thought, eh?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...mary/mary.html

http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm

http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-magdalene.htm

Conchobar

Amos

Sounds about right if that particular Jesus identity was born of Mary Magdalene. We have them too and her offspring is plentiful in protestant circles. In Rev. 13 they are identified as the second beast that came out of the old earth where Mary Magdalene was queen.

The other Mary is called the Virgin Mary and she gives birth to the real Jesus and he is identified as the first beast in Rev. 13 that came out of the celestial sea where Mary theotokos was queen. At a first glance they appear to be much the same but if you take a good look at them they are actually opposite to each other.

The children of Israel themselves were a Jesus cult by another name. Their problem was the 'saved sinned' complex which is the same as it is today for modern day christians. Nothing is new here and if Massy or Robertson don't see that difference how can they give a proper account of history?

No she is not the beloved apostle because she was completely baffled when Jesus told her about the "living water." Magadalene was blond (TM Dr. X), and that was her greatest asset. She was the negative stand in the conscious mind (an absolute vacuum)against which positive Joseph created all sorts of things to please her . . . which really was to quench the pains of alienation because they were outside of Eden and therefore not in contact with the reality of the TOL whereover the eternal Mary presided. This Mary was in contact with Mary Magdalene and Magdalene in her turn motivated Jesus nee Joseph to move along the road-dust of the sun in search for happiness. This contact is the emnity described in Gen.2:15, came across as a real catfight in the mind of Joseph the whily carpenter who therefore returned to the state of mind he once knew and gave an account of himself. After that peace returned and soon the greater serpent of the TOL will absorb (eat) the lesser serpent of the TOK.

Don't be silly and please read carefull before you make such irrationale comments. "Say unto them 'I ascend unto my father and your father'" excludes Mary Magdalene but includes the disciples as brethren.

Note here that the disciples were eidetic images in the mind of Jesus who were created by Joseph and Mary Magdalene during their involutionay period. At one time they were called the shepherds of Joseph (that were out herding their flock on that sacret night), after this conversion they were called to be the apostles of Joseph (now called Jesus), next they had forsaken him in the garden of Gethsemany so that the bare naked ego could be crucified, and here they are recalled into the upper room of the subconscious mind so that reason will prevail. No secrets to hide but the survival of the tribe is their motive for keeping females out of the pulpit.

Doctor X

Advises Seed to, once again, instruct the guest not to imbibe the bong water. . . .

--J.D.