sugarhitman

And by the way I believe this account is original. Just because it is not found in some texts (which leaves out a host of other scriptures common in those texts based on the Minority texts.) does not means it is not original.

sugarhitman

When the death sentence was given for various sins in the OT God would sometimes say "you must put the wicked away from among you OR WICKEDNESS WILL SPREAD LIKE A WILDFIRE" and "Do not let your daughter play the harlot OR WHORDOM WILL SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE LAND."

And again harsh penalties were given "So all Israel will fear" to do evil. Because Israel as a nation was rebellious and "stiffnecked" these harsh penalties were given to keep them in line and to check the spread of anarchy.


When Jesus told those who would have the woman stoned to death that those who are without sin (that is sin committed that is worthy of death as adultery) to cast the first stone what He was saying was this How can unrightoes judges and accusers who have commited like sins condemn anyone to death? That is hypocrisy. Read the bible God says the the judge who condemns and does the same things will himself be judged...he or she has no right to judge anybody. A judge or jury who condemns who have themselves commited like crimes are unworthy as judges. The judges in Israel's beginning were not such criminal hypocritical judges Israel may have been stiffnecked but murders and adultery and other such crimes were not rampant in the earlier part of their history and they were indeed in the right to carry out such penalties to check "the spread of wickedness." In Jesus's time Israel was corrupt wickedness had already spread so basically no one was worthy to "cast a stone."



And yes Jesus did fulfill the Law beacause the Law sums up to this "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and your nieghbor as yourself" but ofcourse if you commit adultery with another man's wife or murder him steal from him that is not love. The Ten commandments are in fact commandments not to harm one another which is loving your nieghbor.

And another fact is that those penalties are against the truly rebellious God hating sinners. They are the wicked. We read how some of those people of faith (like David) who commited such sins God protected them (although they were still punished this is why Jesus told the woman caught in adultery "sin no more lest something worse happens to you" that would be worse than public humility.) from the death penalty which shows that even though God is displeased with sin He is more displeased with rebelliousness.

Jesus fufilled the Law.

Jack the Bodiless

Jesus did not fulfil this law, because he didn't stone the woman himself.

Indeed, this story actually confirms that Jesus was a sinner himself: because only "he who is without sin" could throw the first stone... and Jesus could not.

Of course, the sinful nature of Jesus is in the NT already, even without this story: Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God".

Keith&Co.

And how did that work out?

So God fucked up then.

Laws were in place to keep them in line, but they didn't keep in line. They were so far out of line that none were able to uphold the laws god put in place to keep them in line.

They didn't 'fear to do evil,' obviously.
So the 613 commandments in the Olt Destament were...meaningless fluff? Page filler? Advertising?

sugarhitman

Did Jesus desire to stone her? No.


"Whom do you say I am?" asked Jesus "You are the Christ, the Son of God" replied his disciples. Jesus told them to tell no man what they knew at that time. The man who called Jesus "Good Teacher" did not know that he was God but saw Him as a man...Jesus was in fact telling him that only God was Good and no man is to be called this. The Rabbis in Jesus's day were held in very high esteem to the point of reverance "there came one AND KNEELED TO HIM AND ASKED HIM "GOOD MASTER".....This man saw Jesus as a Rabbi and not the Christ. Jesus was in fact cautioning him about holding men in such high esteem.


This is what Jesus was saying "Why do you call the Rabbis good? There is none good but God."

sugarhitman

No. it just means that Gods warnings, punishments will not keep the truly rebellious in line.

Read the bible Israel stop fearing the punishments of God when the judges and Leaders turned to Pagan religions and all manner of evil was glorified and no longer punishable in the pagan laws (such as adultery and child sacrifice and the murders of the "poor innocents") You cant fear to do evil when it is glorified and encouraged by those who are supposed to enforce the law. God said to enforce these laws so all Israel will fear to do evil. What happens when such crimes go unpunished?...what happens when such crimes are encouraged? Israel (or any other nation) will no longer fear to do evil. In other words the failure on part of the leaders to enforce these laws caused this lack of fear....their responsibilty......they messed up...not God.

Jack the Bodiless

Exactly. Because he was a sinner. Maybe he lusted after her...
So he was being deceitful about his (alleged) true nature? Another sin.

Ray Moscow

That's enough on this topic, isn't it?

Keith&Co.

But...if the purpose of such warnings, rules and punishments was to keep everyone in line, and they failed utterly to do so, was God just incompetent or what?
Are the 'truly rebellious' more powerful than God? God can't deal with the truly rebellious? Maybe they were all in Iron Chariots when they broke the 613 commandments?

Okay, so the rules didn't work. The rules you say God put out for a specific purpose, which failed. Do we have, like, a God Under Instruction, or is he on Super Secret Probation?

You can if you believe that God will hold you, and the corrupt enforcers, accountable. Why didn't they feel that?

That's still at odds with your previous statement.
God issued the rules for a reason.
Did he not understand that people were not going to enforce them?
Did he not pay attention, or not act at any point where he could have reinforced his commands?
If he knew the rules weren't going to accomplish his goal, why did he publish them?
IF he didn't know, why did he let them get so corrupt when it happened?

If any supervisor under me put out a list of rules for the workers, and production stopped (or whatever goal failed) because they were not observing the rules, it would be the supervisor i'd hold accountable. Not allow him to shrug and say, 'I gave them the rules, they fucked it up.'

sugarhitman

Have you still no undestanding? People have a choice to obey or disobey. If all men would obey God's laws such as "do not kill (murder)" "do not steal" do not commit adultery" "do not bear false witness" etc this world would be much better. The only reason the world is as bad as it is today is because men are commiting all these crimes contrary to God's laws. Breaking these laws are in fact harming others.



If your son or daughter go contrary to your teachings doing things that you have taught them was wrong whose fault is it? You can show them the way but you cannot make them walk there. So it is with men and God.