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This thread has to be read in context. It was a take-off on How was Jesus so Wise?
I am not sure that anything here should be taken very seriously, or at least not as seriously as some of you seem to be. |
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Let's say I own a Lamborghini. Further, I want to describe to you the intimate details of driving a Lambo. Do you want to hear? What purpose will it serve?
I imagine you saying "Ok, fine" and going about your normal business. More likely, you wouldn't even want to hear what I have to tell you. |
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Riddick - suppose we were trying to run a discussion board on Biblical Criticism and History. We are interested in examining the texts for understanding history or religion.
What are we to do with someone who drags his Lamborghini into the discussion? I might salivate over the details of luxury cars, but this is not the place. Jesus is protrayed in the gospels as giving public and private teaching on various subjects. Some refer to him as a "wisdom teacher." So the question arises, whether he was wise - wise in terms of the times, or wise in our terms. He is supposed to have draw crowds. Why do you suppose this was - did he talk about chariot maintenance? Did he say anything that other wisdom teachers did not? What drew the crowds? Did the crowds or his followers gain some wisdom from what he said? |
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If anyone saw Stigmata (where the blonde lass gets the Stigma....dur!) the movie's premise is based on the Gospel of Thomas. Have a read of that and tell me, to get the caravan, is it
a.) Wisdom b.) Foolishness c.) A typical day in a student's flat - bong included d.) Schizophrenia E[x(Bx & Sx)] Where B is bullseye and S is bullshit. |
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In short, Jesus' "wisdom" must be measured against what he could have done, were he really the Son of God. But instead, his store of knowledge, ethics, and politics, is not different from anything already known in his time. The conclusion is obvious. Vorkosigan |
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I don't believe he was stupid. I just think he was a man that had to experience all things including stupid actions. |
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In any case, the miracles of Jesus are taken from OT models. See Helms, Randel. 1998. Gospel Fictions. Amherst, NY: Prometheus, or Brodie, Thomas L. 2000. The Crucial Bridge: the Elijah-Elisha Narrative as an interpretive synthesis of Genesis-Kings and a literary model for the Gospels. Collegeville, MN: The Liturgical Press. Thus, those miracles do not represent real-world events. They are simple Markan fictions taken up by the later authors. Vorkosigan |
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