EGGO

Magus, what geometric shape(s) has/have 4 corners?

We can go for the easy answer of a quadrilateral.

Any other geometric shapes that has 4 corners, thought, that still retains the properties of a circle?

Please, by all means, draw it. And while you're at it, draw me a spherical cube too.

Magus55

Well then I guess any human in history that has used the phrase "ends of the earth", or "4 corners of the earth", must be part of the flat earth society. Saying 4 corners of the earth DOES NOT prove the bible meant it literally. And as I pointed out before, even if the hebrews thought the Earth was flat, it would have been circular, not a square. Circles still don't have corners, so sorry, your argument fails.

Magus55

What are you talking about? The Hebrews never thought the Earth was a square.

EGGO

Did you read me correctly? In black and white, I said quadrillateral. I never said anything about a square (nitpicking).

They said 4 corners. What else could that be other than a quadrilateral?

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Okay, so you just admitted that now they say the earth is flat? And now you're even concreting our side of the argument. It's not a circle, you're proving to us more than ever it's a quadrilateral.

Bede

What are you talking about?

In 40AD, literate people knew the earth was a sphere and they still knew it in 1300AD. And the pagan Greek cosmology, which the church adopted was geocentric not heliocentric. A heliocentric model was first properly worked out by a Catholic parson in the early sixteenth century and it took Christians to overthrow the Greek view.

Yours

Bede

Bede's Library - faith and reason

Magus55

/gasp, it could be figurative/metaphorical!





No, I did not say they thought the Earth was flat, i said IF

Doctor X

"That which I like is 'literal.' That which I do not like is 'allegorical.'"

And we are right,
I think you'll say,
To argue in this kind of way.
And I am right,
And you are right,
And all is right -- too-loo-ral-lay!

--J.D.

All prosy dull society sinners,
Who chatter and bleat and bore,
Are sent to hear sermons
From mystical Germans
Who preach from ten till four.

EGGO

Hrm...yeah you're right. Sorry I misread.

Tell me how the 4 corners is metephorical though.

NOGO

The question is .... what are you talking about?

In 40 AD not all people knew that the earth was a sphere.
Most believed the earth to be flat.
It is a bit like evolution. We know about evolution but many people believe in creation, Bible style.

The Greeks were the first to discover that the earth was a sphere.
The Hebrews, inspired by their Bible, believed that the earth was flat much as the book of Enoch describes.

Christian did away with all that Greeks had discovered in areas of chemistry, astronomy, math, and others. They had no need of all that. Christ's salvation is all they needed.

Lucky for us, Christians were reintroduced to Greek knowledge 1000 years later, thanks to the Muslims who contrary to Christian preserved this knowledge.

Copernicus was Catholic. In the 16th century everybody in Europe was Christian. So what?

If Copernicus read his Bible he would know that the earth was flat and the centre of the world that Yahweh created.

Nothing in Christianity help Copernicus do what he did.
Copernicus' contributribution was to realize that much of the celestial movement that we see is due to the earth movements, that is, movement around the sun and around itself. He then used the same knowledge and techniques that the Greek Ptolemy had more than a 1000 years beforehand.

Copernicus, Kepler and the rest could not have done anything without the Greeks. It was the Greeks who setup the foundations for math and astronomy while the Hebrews were totally absorbed by their myths.

Magus55

The same way it is metaphorical in today's language. Surely you have heard people use that phrase, or something similar like "to the ends of the Earth".