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Sheshbazzar · 09-27-2009, 06:09 AM

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To bad your Gawd, and several hundred millions of your loony religious cronies hold a different view.

Yes, that's too bad millions of Christians do not see Christianity the same way I do. I don't believe in forcing religion on anyone. I won't come knocking on your door preaching to you. :Cheeky:

Thanks be to FSM for that

Sai · 09-27-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by IBelieveInHymn

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To bad your Gawd, and several hundred millions of your loony religious cronies hold a different view.

Yes, that's too bad millions of Christians do not see Christianity the same way I do. I don't believe in forcing religion on anyone. I won't come knocking on your door preaching to you. :Cheeky:

If it had not been forced on your ancestors, you would be free of it today. how about that?

IBelieveInHymn · 09-27-2009, 07:36 AM

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Yes, that's too bad millions of Christians do not see Christianity the same way I do. I don't believe in forcing religion on anyone. I won't come knocking on your door preaching to you. :Cheeky:

If it had not been forced on your ancestors, you would be free of it today. how about that?

Some of it was forced, but most of it was preached. People sat down and listened to what these preachers had to say about Jesus. It's ironic how some atheists will travel back 1,800 years in time to slander ancient Christians, when in reality, Islam is doing the exact same thing in OUR generation.

Ancient Christians used a form of terror to spread the Gospel.
Modern day Islam is using fear and terror to spread the Qu'ran.

Modern Christians have to forget what ancient people did in the name of Jesus.. we know that's not the message Jesus was sending.

Jesus said, Go on your way and tell John the things you have witnessed. He didn't say, spread my word using fear and terror into the hearts of unbelievers.

This is lunacy

schu · 09-27-2009, 01:49 PM

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.......... spread my word using fear and terror into the hearts of unbelievers.

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I call BS on this statement. The first thing Christians will say to you when they find out you are a heathen is, "You are going to Hell".

If that isn't the use of fear and terror, I don't know what is. :huh:

Christians are such deceivers, and the first one that they have to deceiver is themselves.

GTM · 09-28-2009, 10:01 AM

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I have read PSALM, and my conclusion is, Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock: the infants represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated.

That's funny! So much for the LITERAL interpretation! Picking and choosing...picking and choosing.

Sai · 09-28-2009, 12:46 PM

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If it had not been forced on your ancestors, you would be free of it today. how about that?

Some of it was forced, but most of it was preached. People sat down and listened to what these preachers had to say about Jesus. It's ironic how some atheists will travel back 1,800 years in time to slander ancient Christians, when in reality, Islam is doing the exact same thing in OUR generation.

Ancient Christians used a form of terror to spread the Gospel.
Modern day Islam is using fear and terror to spread the Qu'ran.

Modern Christians have to forget what ancient people did in the name of Jesus.. we know that's not the message Jesus was sending.

Jesus said, Go on your way and tell John the things you have witnessed. He didn't say, spread my word using fear and terror into the hearts of unbelievers.

This is lunacy

How would you know how much was forced and how much was voluntary?

The subjects did what the king told them. King said convert. Voluntary?

As for your "ironic", its not ironic. You are not detecting irony, you are using
ad hominem tu quoque! Look it up.

You are also detecting hyupothetical hyprocisy that you just imagine. You think we dont know and despise the actions of Islam? Honestly you think that?

The xtian church spread christianty by terror a "hell" of a lot more recently than 1800 years ago. And we atheists have no more use for islam than christianity, you dont need to assume we are stupid or blind to the faults of both.

Your jesus made it clear (according to the story, that is bs anyway) that anything other than following him was supposed to get a person tossed into a lake of fire. Would have been more honest if he had said to spread the word by terror (of hell). Lunacy is to try to get around that with a strawman quote that you can then knock down.

Oh... are you confident that Christianity was NOT forced on any of YOUR ancestors? They all sat down and listened and were convinced? You would you know be free today if they were not forced.

If you are of European descent, be aware that the old church operated a bit like modern communism... it provided a very effective template for dictators.

So very unlikely that conversion was voluntary. Almost certainly your ancestors were coerced to give up their old ways. The Spanish in S America...they used gentle persuasion? ha.

You have the church saying that the king gets power straight from god, the king sponsors and protects the church, and between the threat of hell and the threat of the army, the people were soon converted to happy little xtian slaves of the king and the church.

If there is some irony its the way people still lick those chains.

Sai · 09-28-2009, 12:50 PM

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I have read PSALM, and my conclusion is, Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock: the infants represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated.

That's funny! So much for the LITERAL interpretation! Picking and choosing...picking and choosing.

oh and killing all to ensure the success of genocide is SO MUCH BETTER!
I dont see the humour tho. I think it is sick.

WilliamFearless · 09-28-2009, 04:10 PM

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This verse is simply talking about the future generations of Israel. It's doesn't mean "stone a little kid to death"

He alludes to Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 13:16 promising good success to Cyrus and Darius, whom ambition moved to fight against Babylon, but God used them as his rods to punish his enemies.

No, this verse is referring to genocide. The context is quite clear: there will be genocide in Babylon, down to the little children, and it will be a good and wonderful thing when they are slaughtered. Your Bible loves genocide, this is just the single verse that is most explicit about it.

Maybe the psalm is referring to actual infants, perhaps not, but the "Loving God" of the Bible brutally slaughtering innocent children is nothing new in the Bible-

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Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 13:13-15

If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock.

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 14:21

Prepare a place to slaughter his sons, for the sins of their forefathers; they are not to rise to inherit the land and cover the earth with their cities.

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel 9:5-7

As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple. Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout the city.

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Originally Posted by Exodus 12:29-30

At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah 51:20-26

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

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Originally Posted by Leviticus 26:21-22

If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 13:15-18

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

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Originally Posted by Joshua 8:24-26

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed.

WilliamFearless · 09-29-2009, 06:25 PM

Yeah, that's about right.

I've never been able to get much of a response from biblical inerrantists about this topic.

IBelieveInHymn · 09-29-2009, 08:33 PM

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Yeah, that's about right.

I've never been able to get much of a response from biblical inerrantists about this topic.

It will be explained to you soon.. don't you worry..

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09-27-2009, 01:49 PM	#44
schu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 707	[QUOTE=IBelieveInHymn;6116920][QUOTE=Sai;6116911 .......... .......... spread my word using fear and terror into the hearts of unbelievers. This is lunacy[/QUOTE] I call BS on this statement. The first thing Christians will say to you when they find out you are a heathen is, "You are going to Hell". If that isn't the use of fear and terror, I don't know what is. :huh: Christians are such deceivers, and the first one that they have to deceiver is themselves.

09-29-2009, 06:25 PM	#49
WilliamFearless Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Marijuanaville, California Posts: 1,898	Yeah, that's about right. I've never been able to get much of a response from biblical inerrantists about this topic.

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