FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Philosophy & Religious Studies > Moral Foundations & Principles
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-17-2007, 07:47 AM   #101
Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Carolina, USA
Posts: 14,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gudjonsson View Post
It makes sense to me!
Thanks.
fast is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 09:13 AM   #102
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 727
Exclamation

Quote:
I’d ask myself this: Which would make for a better state of affairs

1) A world where people are allowed the option of abortion, or

2) A world where the option, for the most part, becomes unnecessary.
Suppose for a moment that you believe many late term abortions are wrong, and suppose further that it is indeed wrong (and thus not merely a belief) to abort late term pregnancies. Keep that in mind.

Here is a critical question: If abortion is wrong, then is your supporting of that option to abort wrong? That's the clincher.

No. Mankind is a work in progress, attempting a goal (God) that has never been broached by any other living entity on earth, to the best of our knowledge. As such, mankind is God to the best of His/Her ability at any given moment in time, as individuals and groups.

Quote:
Purportedly, just because an act is wrong, that is no good reason to support prohibitive legislation.
I disagree. Personal conviction is an innate trait that drives mankind forward or backwards, and as such is a necessary trait to mankind’s survival. Shit happens, so do good things. From prohibition we learn that suppression breeds evil, now we have two crimes to fight, addictions and organized crime. Iow’s, prohibition didn’t work so what does?

AA works wonders for some people, for others it doesn’t. Science invents drugs, which helps in an individuals fight against addictions. Divorce ‘free’s women/men’ from the abuses of addictions.

An FBI arises, and from them whistle blowers.


Quote:
Yet, that's exactly why so many laws are enacted.

There's no problem when we're talking about killing the post-born, but there is a problem when we're talking about killing the pre-born.
I am not anymore comfortable with the subject then you. A ‘cost’ comes with the subject either way. Life is an exchange.

Quote:
The objection cannot be that it's just a clump of cells and thus not wrong. You know why? It's because of the very thing I told you to keep in mind that you're not.
I have more in mind then you give me credit. I hold not just the child in my mind, but the mother, the siblings, the father, and society at large. It’s all related or none of it is, correct?

Before you decide to take me on, you better get up a little earlier in the morning.

Quote:
Juxtaposing you do indeed believe it's wrong, and if it's indeed wrong, then the question isn't being answered by falling back on some notion that it's not wrong.
I have a whole scenario on that one too. Stick around you just might learn something, big boy.

Quote:
If certain abortions are wrong, then “A world where people are allowed the option of abortion,” is a world with the option to do what’s wrong.
You either read nothing I write, or you can’t comprehend what I write. If the truth be told I don’t remember what I write from one day to the next. I am one of those kinds of people who live from my heart because I know it is a good heart. Maybe you think not. So be it.



Quote:
Whether supporting that option is right or wrong is another question, and a good question if I say so myself.
And I gave you a damn good answer to that question. In fact, I am so conceited as to suggest that no one here can give you a better answer. If they can let them speak now or forever hold their piece, pun intended.

Get your mind out of the gutter you just might learn a thing or two.

Quote:
By the way, I am tiring of this thread, so I’m only going to entertain a few more posts before I call it quits.

Here, entertain this one:

Not so fast bb...................I’m just starting to warm up. Though I will warn you, my siblings would suggest, don’t get her started. So would the rolling stones. They made that song just for me. In fact I think I’ll crank up that song right here and now.

You can’t taint me big boy. I am already as colorful as one can get. God loves color, did you know that? :angel:
seven8s is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 10:39 AM   #103
Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Carolina, USA
Posts: 14,025
Default

Your tone indicates that I have struck a nerve, so I should probably take the advice of your siblings and not get you started.

I reviewed my post to which you responded for inappropriate behavior on my part. There was a part where I may have inadvertently come across a bit aggressive and accusatory, especially since I used, “you” and not “one:”

The objection cannot be that it's just a clump of cells and thus not wrong. You know why? It's because of the very thing I told you to keep in mind that you're not.


However, since not most (but all) of what I said was under supposition, then I did not think it would have been interpreted negatively:

Suppose for a moment that you believe many late term abortions are wrong, and suppose further that it is indeed wrong (and thus not merely a belief) to abort late term pregnancies. Keep that in mind.


Either way, I take full blame and apologize, for if I could write worth a hoot and more readily adapt to each reader, then it would not have happened.

You also made a statement that made me take pause:

I am one of those kinds of people who live from my heart because I know it is a good heart. Maybe you think not. So be it.


I thought nothing of the sort either way. I don't know what kind of person you are. I believe you are person that doesn't think shorelines exist, but beyond that, I have no idea. Oh, and I'm even sure about that either, for it's been a little while since I engaged you in that thread, and I was confused over why there was even confusion to begin with, so I may not even be correct on that note either.

Quote:
Stick around you just might learn something, big boy.
I have learned something in this thread--even from you, and I am appreciative of everyone’s input including yours, (well, all except from that shady guy over in the corner), but I'm afraid that I must insist on backing out of this thread soon.

With kindest regards, I am and remain,

fast
fast is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 12:29 PM   #104
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 727
Default

I wished I could say I care not what you think, but I am not a philosopher, I am practical. What I know is this, you will do what you want to do, right or wrong, which gives me permission to do what I want to do. And so the world turns. Adios big boy. I wish you well.

tea: I forgot to add, I will not only survive, but will thrive. 'sparkle'
seven8s is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 01:05 PM   #105
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ontario
Posts: 3,444
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fast View Post
I have learned something in this thread--even from you, and I am appreciative of everyone’s input including yours, (well, all except from that shady guy over in the corner)
Hey! WHAT YOU GOT AGAINST US SHADY PEOPLE?! :angry:

:Cheeky:
Jolly_Penguin is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:25 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.