justsumner

Well, if a Rabbit chews it's cud and a Chicken isn't meat...how can a fetus be alive?

JTurtle

What??

justsumner

I thought your were an Expert on Scripture?

Which leads me to ask why are you here? There are only three reasons for a person of faith to be here..

1. You are seeking. Yet your superior attitude leads me to believe you are convinced of your gods

2. You are prosyltizing. Good luck. Most regular members here seem to be pretty comfortable with their non-belief.

3. Trolling for an argument. This seems to be your motivation. As such I shall not bother to respond you your threads.

have a nice day

ten to the eleventh

Mr. Turtle,

It seems you are deliberately misreading Havoc in order to suit your needs. That's not very honest. Remember what the bible says about liars (even the NIV).

Havoc said that a fetus is "human" (adjective), not a "human being" (noun) as you implied. There is no contradiction in what he said. If I find someone's finger I can rightly say that it is human, but you would think me insane if I said it was a human being. Try to read what is actually written.

In another instance of dishonesty, Havoc said that a fetus is "dependant on it's mother for everything untill birth. It is only alive because its mother is alive." edit: Hmm, that's more than a little unclear. The dishonesty applies to Turtle, not Havoc. Anywhoo, that may be suggesting motivation of the poster, and therefore may be inappropriate. Please read in that regard.

You then made the apples to oranges equivalence of the dependence of the fetus to the dependence of a one-year old. A one year old does not satisfy the description very clearly laid out by Havoc. Read it again, please: "dependant on it's mother for everything. It is only alive because its mother is alive."

Catch the difference? It's pretty apparent to me. A one-year old does not satisfy those conditions. A mother can leave her baby in a crib and the baby can continue to feed itself, breathe, sleep, burp, piss, and crap. The mother could die, and the baby would not be harmed. Another person could care for the child. A whole slew of people could collectively care for the child.

Why did you not honestly respond to what Havoc actually wrote?

Rudolph

I think you misunderstood, Jonathan. My knowledge of the Bible, while obviously not as great as yours, does allow me to have an opinion on it. However limited my knowledge of the Bible is, it is infinately larger than your knowledge of me, which is nil.
Secondly you have no proof that the Bible is in fact the word of God. It's a point of faith. So we're arguing about whether or not your faith in the Bible is justified or not. You think it is, I don't. With reference to the subject of the thread, namely abortion, the consequences are that you would seek an answer to the dilema by consulting the Bible, whereas I would look at the problem, weigh up all the possibilities and make my judgment based on reason. Obviously I believe in the right to choose, but I would also condemn irresponsible behaviour that would see the same woman get several abortions in the latter stages of her gestation, or a man who gets several different women pregnant. My point is that I don't believe you can have a law that covers all possibilities. At best you can have a framework with which to operate, at worst you have a dogmatic book written by people who couldn't possibly foretell the course of the future and a bunch of folk ready to lay down their lives for that book (OK that's probably not the worst scenario but I think it's pretty bad).
Finally, I'm just as reasonable as the next man, and probably more open minded. If you can prove to me the truth of the Bible in the same way as you could prove to me the truths of arithmetic for example, then I would believe in the Bible. The fact of the matter is that you can't. So unless you change the definition of truth, you can't claim that the Bible contains any. At most you can say that the Bible is something that you believe in.

Amaleq13

Please avoid comments about the motivations of posters and focus on the arguments/claims posted.