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cjack · 06-06-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Argumentum ad popularum. And actually over 4 billion people have a use for Christianity, because Islam borrowed aspects of Christianity, and integrated Jesus as being their highest prophet into the religion. So you are actually the overwhelming minority.

And right back at you...

Thanks for playing along, Magus...

Hyndis · 06-06-2004, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Argumentum ad popularum. And actually over 4 billion people have a use for Christianity, because Islam borrowed aspects of Christianity, and integrated Jesus as being their highest prophet into the religion. So you are actually the overwhelming minority.

Err...Muhammad, anyone?

06-06-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Argumentum ad popularum.

Since cjack isn't claiming that Christianity is wrong because of the number of people who don't adhere to it, he did in fact not commit a fallacy.

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And actually over 4 billion people have a use for Christianity...

Oh, I'd just love to see an actual report about this. If you have a reliable source for that number, please show us it.

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...because Islam borrowed aspects of Christianity...

So?

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...and integrated Jesus as being their highest prophet into the religion.

Jesus is Islams highest prophet? You're joking, right? In any case, I guess I now have an answer to me question about, and it is a resounding "No."

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So you are actually the overwhelming minority.

A majority of the world's population do not believe that Jesus was the son of God. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Hyndis · 06-06-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Don't know, I'm not God. But seems to me that God valued the ability for us to choose to have a relationship or not, over having a bunch of robots wander around in Heaven. Would be just as cruel for God to force people to be in Heaven and worship Him if they don't want to.

So, once someone is in heaven, they can get tired of being good and decide to give evil a try after a few million years of kissing ass?

And does that mean they get kicked out of heaven for being evil?

So if thats true, then why isn't there also the opportunity repent and go from hell to heaven? And if not, then does god take away free will after you go to heaven, and then the keys to the prison if you go to hell?

PopeInTheWoods · 06-06-2004, 10:52 PM

Ala (la-la-la) bamba,
para bailar la bamba se necesita
una poca de gracia,
una poca de gracia, y otra cosita.
Ay arriba y arriba,
ay arriba y arriba y arriba iré.

Magus55 · 06-06-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cjack

And right back at you...

Thanks for playing along, Magus...

Yes, I did use the fallacy in counter argument to point out why your use of a fallacy doesn't actually work since your claim is incorrect anyway.

Magus55 · 06-06-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyndis

Err...Muhammad, anyone?

I actually think Islam considers Jesus to be the highest prophet even above Muhammed, if anything He is second highest to Muhammed.

06-06-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Don't know, I'm not God. But seems to me that God valued the ability for us to choose to have a relationship or not, over having a bunch of robots wander around in Heaven.

But if Heaven is only filled with believers, isn't already filled with "a bunch of robots" whether everyone goes there or not?

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Would be just as cruel for God to force people to be in Heaven and worship Him if they don't want to.

God providing evidence for his existence is hardly "forcing" people to believe in him by any stretch of the imagination.

Hyndis · 06-06-2004, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ad Astra

A majority of the world's population do not believe that Jesus was the son of God. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Mmm...pie.

06-06-2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyndis

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Mmm...pie.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
Thank you, Hyndis!

I guess this also puts to rest Magus's "four billion Christians" figure.

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