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The previous threads bear many different names, and can be found through the following links:
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LX (Damn Right She'll Rise Again)
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LIX (Oh, Stop Giggling.)
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LVIII (The Teen Heartthrob Vatican)
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LVII (Self-Medicated with Cheese)
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LVI (Cadbury Chocolate Eggs and Vodka)
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LV (We Are Not Afraid!)
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LIV (What Keeps Mankind Alive?)
IIDB/Christian Forums Thread Continuation LIII (Orthodoxy and its Discontents)

The Master List of past CF/IIDB Threads may be found here.

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Hallie

First Post BYAH I WIN!!!!11

Lel

I lose.

Hallie

LOL

Does Arizona have an ocean, or am I failure at geography?

MichieC

What new & exciting title will this thread have???

Tune in tomorrow as the Island of Misfit Toys gets their creative juices flowing once again.

Off to bed! :wave:

BigToe

I don't think accepting a privilege means you endorse the denial of that same privilege to others at all. That sounds like survivor's remorse. Flaunting your luxuries in the faces of others is one thing, but to have them and use them normally is nothing to be ashamed of.

It isn't an all or nothing game.

It all comes down to what's fair or not. Using what is fairly available to you isn't unfair to anyone. Bragging that you have that ability is unfair. You can both have and use something and still be fair to those who don't. It comes down to how you treat other people. That is honestly the only fairness any of us has control over. We can't force others to treat everyone fairly, I don't think that would be, well, fair. We can conduct ourselves in a manner which is the fairest of our abilities and hope others do the same. We can't expect fairness, we have to show it. It is up to each individual to decide if they shall conduct themselves fairly towards others.

The same token means we also have to recognize that someone else's fair may look very different from our own. Which means ascribing motives or judging another's lack of fairness isn't genuinely fair either. It happens, and I don't think it is always completely unfair. When we start doing that, we have to look at ourselves and question why. I think it is in that why the unfairness in ourselves comes out -- be it unfair to someone else or unfair to ourselves.

Saying your acceptance of a privilege is endorsing unjust denial of the same privilege isn't being fair to yourself. Or to everyone else who has the privilege.

It shouldn't be about condemning things so much as standing with those who have been condemned. Often it is knowing you aren't alone that is more important than actually righting a wrong.

So be fair to yourself seebs. You stand with a lot of people, no matter who agrees or disagrees with you. You don't have to become the least common denominator to let people know they matter.

Cat59

Congrats to Granabel Lee....and the happy mother and baby
*snuggles*

seebs

The thing is, Toe, while I agree that it's not always a problem, right now there is an issue where people are able to pretend that only "heretics" are being denied icons. This is a good way to help them think about this as an issue that affects "us", not just "them".

countrygal

congrats annabel :jump:

Lanakila

Congratulations Annabel Lee.