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outhouse · 09-18-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

this actually strengthens the mythicist case. there is no "life of Jesus." just a bunch of partisans weaving their ow. myths

it doesnt give weight one way or the other

it just shows different sects went different directions and believed different things . And we already knew that.

we know mythology was created around the legends

stephan huller · 09-18-2012, 05:26 PM

Of course it strengthens the mythicist case. if this turns out to be authentic, now we have a married Jesus. Then if someone comes a long and finds a black Jesus, electric Jesus etc. the more Jesuses we have the less certain a normative Jesus appears.

stephan huller · 09-18-2012, 05:28 PM

Comment from Tim Pettipice editor at Sage:

"It looks like someone wrote on a piece of papyrus with a sharpie."

steve_bnk · 09-18-2012, 05:38 PM

The great Christian western myth, JC pictured as white and blue eyed....

DCHindley · 09-18-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

alin and many others at the conference say the manuscript itself is weird. like nothing they've seen before

I am struck by how conveniently the text appears within the margins of the papyrus fragment, which itself seems to have been cut to a rectangle. It looks just a little too neat for me.

DCH

stephan huller · 09-18-2012, 06:56 PM

that's alin's point. It looks like a fake to him

outhouse · 09-18-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Of course it strengthens the mythicist case. if this turns out to be authentic, now we have a married Jesus. Then if someone comes a long and finds a black Jesus, electric Jesus etc. the more Jesuses we have the less certain a normative Jesus appears.

I respectably disagree

first even if it is authentic, 4rth century junk will carry ZERO histrocity.

there were many movements in all different shapes sizes and faiths

no information from this will change anyones view of anything currently known

stephan huller · 09-18-2012, 07:54 PM

But then there is nothing upon which to develop a firm notion of who or what Jesus was. If I entered and won a gold medal in track and field at the Special Olympics I could convince the casual observer I was a great athlete.

stephan huller · 09-18-2012, 07:59 PM

Alin Suciu a respected expert on Coptic papyri doesn't mince words. As he posts on his Facebook account:

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A new Coptic apocryphal fragment in which Jesus refers to his wife (or woman) surfaced recently. This is a modern FAKE. There is no way to make us believe that the script is ancient.

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No, I have never seen such a document. It looks to me like a gross forgery.

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Jamey Walters I hope you'll do a blog post on it sometime soon. I'd be interested to hear more...

Alin Suciu I will. I am still hoping that Bagnall got involved accidentally into this and that he will react soon.

Here is his blog (one of the best) http://alinsuciu.com/ Wasn't Jamey Walters that musician guy who showed up on Beverley Hills 90210 and who fell in love with Tori Spelling's character? Donna I think her name was.

stephan huller · 09-18-2012, 08:10 PM

It's about angels. That's sort of Biblical I guess. I used to have that look. Have you seen Jamie Walters now? I liked him better before. What's with this tatoo thing? The world is my prison-look? Anyway showing my age, I guess

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09-18-2012, 05:26 PM	#22
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Of course it strengthens the mythicist case. if this turns out to be authentic, now we have a married Jesus. Then if someone comes a long and finds a black Jesus, electric Jesus etc. the more Jesuses we have the less certain a normative Jesus appears.

09-18-2012, 05:28 PM	#23
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Comment from Tim Pettipice editor at Sage: "It looks like someone wrote on a piece of papyrus with a sharpie."

09-18-2012, 05:38 PM	#24
steve_bnk Contributor Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,602	The great Christian western myth, JC pictured as white and blue eyed....

09-18-2012, 06:56 PM	#26
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	that's alin's point. It looks like a fake to him

09-18-2012, 07:54 PM	#28
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	But then there is nothing upon which to develop a firm notion of who or what Jesus was. If I entered and won a gold medal in track and field at the Special Olympics I could convince the casual observer I was a great athlete.

09-18-2012, 08:10 PM	#30
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	It's about angels. That's sort of Biblical I guess. I used to have that look. Have you seen Jamie Walters now? I liked him better before. What's with this tatoo thing? The world is my prison-look? Anyway showing my age, I guess

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