Citsonga

If I recall correctly, I don't think that Dobson subscribes to the literal 6-day creation.

Doug Shaver

If you have to ask that question, then you are so scientifically illiterate that I cannot answer it in one post.

However, just for the record . . . A global flood would have left a uniquely identifiable global layer of mud, and in the few thousand years since it alleged occurred, there has not been enough volcanic or seismic activity to have made it go away.

aa5874

Completely false.

You know the Christian Bible is not recognised as the word of God throughout the entire world.

NoMansLand

I think he just wants to argue, Doug. He has produce no evidence that the Bible should be taken literally. Questions are not answers. In order to be a YEC in this modern world, you must ignore, refute, or disregard whole branches of science---biology, geology, anthropology, etc. Being willing to do this, while placing ones "faith" in a single literary reference from millenia before the advent of modern science, puts any logical discourse in doubt.

You're wasting your time. Even if you explained all of the science involved, rhutchin would still refuse to see the proof. My goodness, he has already called into question the reliability of observation as a means of detection.

Wooster

Reality tells us the earth is around 4.5 billion years old and the universe around 13.7 billion year, so why are you denying reality?

Or is it that you disagree with the methods used to determine the age? If so, please tell me what is wrong with all the various methods of radio-metric dating used and why your "method" is accurate.

rhutchin

I think it might be best to say that scientists develop models based on certain assumptions and then use these models to estimate the age of the universe. Reality is only telling us that which a very limited view of reality can do.

Everything depends on the assumptions that underlie the dating model. Those assumptions seem to take that which can be observed today and extrapolates them backwards in time. The Bible does not tell us the technical details of those events surrounding the creation of the universe and the physical laws we observe today may not have settled in until after that creation. From what I understand any model of the beginning of the universe has to allow for weirdness at the beginning. Maybe not. But, who really knows and how could we know? As some have opined, the universe could have been created yesterday and we would not be able to determine it.

rhutchin

Does not matter. We can have any number of documents purporting to be the "word of God." Within the context of each of those documents, it is the "word of God." The Bible is the "word of God." Your issue seems to be that people do not recognize the Biblical god as the true and living God. That's fine. People are free to think that way.

rhutchin

Scientifically illiterate! Perhaps, but I tend to doubt that you really know everything that has happened in the past.

The Bible refers to ...Eber ...in [whose] days was the earth divided. (Genesis 10) That would seem to be significant. Some people, for instance, seem to think that Europe was once joined to N America and other continents. That separation could have had traumatic impacts. So, I am not sure that we would easily find a "uniquely identifiable global layer of mud" or stone. So, what have geologists found? I am not a geologist and I don't know.

aa5874

Of course it matters. We have a number of documents saying different things about their Gods.

The word of God is entirely subjective.

Wooster

This is why you should NOT think about these things, but search out the information,. You are 100% incorrect of course.

You can not show any incorrect calculations based on the available data, you can't even tell me how the age is estimated. And you can also not tell me, using the scientific language, why the calculations are wrong.

But, you are free to impress me with your knowledge about cosmology. Go ahead! If you actually have anything at all, do you?


Now tell me WHY the methods are giving us the incorrect answer and then tell us how to correct it. If not, you should shut up! This looks like a plumber telling a neurosurgeon how to perform brain surgery and you are the plumber in this picture.

This is not even funny, just dumb!