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Old 06-16-2004, 04:53 AM   #21
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Children are intelligent and capable of human thought. While they are young, their minds are being developed and shaped into the adults they will become. It is our duty in a society to protect these more vulnerable humans who might exploit or abuse them. Not only is this morally the right thing to do, it also ensures that the human race will continue to advance and society evolve.
Why should a 'society' protect children?

ONLY a parent is respsonsible for a child's welfare. Not people elsewhere who are complete strangers. It's the parents' responsiblity to feed, clothe and nuture them; no one else's.
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Apart from the counter-arguments presented so far. Have you heard of animal rights? You can go to jail in diffrent countries, for abusing an animal.
Cruelty is condemnable, whether it's done to an adult or a child. Even more so condemnable since the victim cannot defend her/himself.
In some countries, you cannot. What's your point?
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Why should a 'society' protect children?

ONLY a parent is respsonsible for a child's welfare. Not people elsewhere who are complete strangers. It's the parents' responsiblity to feed, clothe and nuture them; no one else's.
Most western cultures have decided that society as a whole benefits when the youngest members of the society grow up in good conditions, increasing their chances to grow up and contribute to the success of that society.

Hypothetical situation: A five year old child is the only survivor of a house fire, and there are no living relatives to take them in. What should happen to that child, in your ideal society?
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Why should a 'society' protect children?

ONLY a parent is respsonsible for a child's welfare. Not people elsewhere who are complete strangers. It's the parents' responsiblity to feed, clothe and nuture them; no one else's.
Of course. Because children, who have no means to fend for themselves, should be completely at the mercy of parents who may or may not give a fuck about them... Did society have no responsibility for Victoria Climbie?

Regarding the OP, its up to you to prove a link between the possession of rights and the ability to assert them. If there isn't one, then your point falls flat on logical as well as humanitarian grounds.
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Of course. Because children, who have no means to fend for themselves, should be completely at the mercy of parents who may or may not give a fuck about them... Did society have no responsibility for Victoria Climbie?

If children have 'bad parents' they should accept the cards they are dealt. I see no reason why I should 'care' for children, who are NOT MY responsiblity.

Come on, the overwhelming majority of people take care of their OWN primarily. Other people's 'children' are secondary.
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If children have 'bad parents' they should accept the cards they are dealt. I see no reason why I should 'care' for children, who are NOT MY responsiblity.

Come on, the overwhelming majority of people take care of their OWN primarily. Other people's 'children' are secondary.
One of the reasons that we have been able to develop as a species is because we realized hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years ago that we function better in groups than we do alone. When the group is stronger, each individual in that group does better as a result. By caring for children in our society, whether or not they are our own, we help them grow up to be stronger and more productive adults, which helps every member of the society, including ourselves.

If a child has bad parents, odds are that they are going to grow up as less educated, less socially adusted adults that will be a drain on the society, meaning that you and I are going to have to pay for them. By helping them out as kids, the odds are better that they will grow up to be more productive adults, which means they will be better able to sholder an equal burden in society and you and I will not have to take that burden ourselves.

So since you seem to take an extremely selfish view of this issue, there is a completely selfish reason for you to care about the well-being of other people's kids.
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Regarding the OP, its up to you to prove a link between the possession of rights and the ability to assert them. If there isn't one, then your point falls flat on logical as well as humanitarian grounds.
Children certainly don't warrant equal rights to adults, not in all cases at least.
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Hypothetical situation: A five year old child is the only survivor of a house fire, and there are no living relatives to take them in. What should happen to that child, in your ideal society?
Others should take care for him/her. But that doesn't necessarily warrant the entire society must care for the child!
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Others should take care for him/her. But that doesn't necessarily warrant the entire society must care for the child!
Who are these unknown "Others" if not society?
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Regarding the OP, its up to you to prove a link between the possession of rights and the ability to assert them. If there isn't one, then your point falls flat on logical as well as humanitarian grounds.
Children certainly don't warrant equal rights to adults, not in all cases at least.
Minor nit-pick -- that was said by extinctionist, not I.
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