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mountainman · 06-30-2009, 04:42 PM

If Jesus wrote the gospels who wrote the
new testament apocryphal gospels and acts,
in which Jesus responds to the questions
of the Twemendous Twelve Boneheads by
saying "Why are you asking me"?

arnoldo · 06-30-2009, 06:38 PM

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What about Eusebius?

Please read more carefully. Eusebius is trying to harmonize the geneologies. I said "birth narratives."

Ok, as far as the birth narratives are concerned, Josephus confirms the account of Herod suffering from some calamity; note;

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How, immediately after his crime against our Saviour and the other infants, the punishment sent by God drove him on to his death, we can best learn from the words of that historian who, in the seventeenth book of his Antiquities of the Jews, writes as follows concerning his end:149149 Josephus, Ant. XVII. 6. 5.6. “But the disease of Herod grew more severe, God inflicting punishment for his crimes. For a slow fire burned in him which was not so apparent to those who touched him, but augmented his internal distress; for he had a terrible desire for food which it was not possible to resist. He was affected also with ulceration of the intestines, and with especially severe pains in the colon, while a watery and transparent humor settled about his feet.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf...i.vi.viii.html

arnoldo · 06-30-2009, 06:48 PM

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What about Eusebius?

The genealogy isn't the only discrepancy in the gospels.

If you can give sound explanations for the contradictions in the gospels (42 on that page), then you'll be doing better than most.

Here is a better explanation;

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This is not to deny that there are places where the differnces between the gospels in recording the same events are puzzling. Equally, it must be recognized that the gospel writers told the story in such a way as to make clear its continuing relevance for their readers, and therefore they were not bound to reproduce what Jesus said absolutely word-for-word. It was the faithful reproduction of the meaning, not necessarily of the actual words, that mattered. If, like John, Luke has given us an artist's portrait of Jesus rather than a photograph, he has given us a true portrait.

New Bible Commentary, 21st Century Edition

Toto · 06-30-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Please read more carefully. Eusebius is trying to harmonize the geneologies. I said "birth narratives."

Ok, as far as the birth narratives are concerned, Josephus confirms the account of Herod suffering from some calamity; ...
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf...i.vi.viii.html

This does not deal with the differences in the birth narratives.

When was Jesus born?

Joan of Bark · 06-30-2009, 06:52 PM

Of course there are no contradictions in the gospels. That's why there is only one Christian denomination in the world, in which all believers agree.

Joan of Bark · 06-30-2009, 06:54 PM

SM, you still haven't answered the question of why JC wrote four gospels, or referred to himself in the third person.

Zenaphobe · 06-30-2009, 07:42 PM

When is Jesus going to shoot the film version and release it in theaters? (preferably in 3-D)

Since Jesus is God, he could "poof" the story as seen from his eyes onto a DVD and strategically place one in each mailbox in the world thereby giving everyone the gospel message with sub titles in their own language thereby evangelizing the world so he can finally come back and do all the cool stuff in Revelation.

I bet it comes in hi def! Woot!

Back Again · 06-30-2009, 08:20 PM

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SM, you still haven't answered the question of why JC wrote four gospels, or referred to himself in the third person.

He dictated to four ghost-writers that were their own editors and who wrote about Jesus in the third person. This one is easy.

ApostateAbe · 06-30-2009, 08:25 PM

Self-Mutation, your hypothesis seems to be unbiblical, because it is contradicted by at least one of the gospels, as told in the introduction to the Gospel of Luke:

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¹Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, ²just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. ³Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, ⁴so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

What do you think? Do you think Jesus wrote that?

Self-Mutation · 06-30-2009, 09:00 PM

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Of course there are no contradictions in the gospels. That's why there is only one Christian denomination in the world, in which all believers agree.

ALL denominations are corruptions. The only right way is Jesus' words alone.

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Joan of Bark Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pua, in northern Thailand Posts: 2,823	Of course there are no contradictions in the gospels. That's why there is only one Christian denomination in the world, in which all believers agree.

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Joan of Bark Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pua, in northern Thailand Posts: 2,823	SM, you still haven't answered the question of why JC wrote four gospels, or referred to himself in the third person.

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Zenaphobe Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the NC trailer park Posts: 6,631	When is Jesus going to shoot the film version and release it in theaters? (preferably in 3-D) Since Jesus is God, he could "poof" the story as seen from his eyes onto a DVD and strategically place one in each mailbox in the world thereby giving everyone the gospel message with sub titles in their own language thereby evangelizing the world so he can finally come back and do all the cool stuff in Revelation. I bet it comes in hi def! Woot!

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