Sheshonq

In point of fact, they have said it did not happen. Glenn Morton did a critique on the idea that it was a local flood. To summarize: not only did it never happen, but the geography of the area makes such a flood impossible. You'll find it on his website.

1. You have the burden of proof reversed: believers need to show that such events happened. Their claim, their burden.

2. The flood still stands as such an event. I could add others (Joshua making the sun and moon stand still).

What is an event without the details?

JayW

None have.When did I admit it's a false statement? When did you prove that a flood never took place at the time the Bible claims it did? Maybe I missed it. Are you still insisting that if the flood wasn't global then the Bible is false about a flood ever taking place? Do you understand the difference between an event and the details of an event?
Do you not understand that exaggerated details do not falsify the whole event? Do you understand that every archeologists that has dug in Mesopotamia has agreed that here was a flood there that fits Biblical chronology? Do you understnd that the Biblical flood took place whether or not you think it makes God a liar? Do you understand that the actual flood took place a long time before the Hebrws wrote it down? The flood has never been hown to be false. It happened. It took place. I never changed my mind and said it didn't. I didn't refute myself. I still say that the flood mentioned in the Bible was a real event. You haven't proven it wasn't. The same flood that took place in mesopotamia was written about in the Bible. You do understand that part right? If you want to keep nelieing that the Bible plainly states that the flood was global, go right ahead,but it doesn't plainly say that. At the time the flood story was written the whole world and everything in it was the Euphrates valley, whether you agree wuth that or not. All mankind to the Sumerians was living in the valley, whether you believe that or not. God did not write the flood story.,whether you believe it or not. Sumerians wrote it. God did not copy it from Sumerian texts. The Hebrews did. God did not add it to the manuscripts that went into the Bible. Greeks did. There is nothing refuted in any of that. All mankind was though to be living in Mesopotamia when the story was wrtten. All the animals of the world was in Mesopotamia. The flood has not been falsified. It has been verified.

I don't see where you got the idea that i admitted it was an untrue statement.Maybe your having trouble working out the difference between falsifying an event and falsifying the details of an event. I understand the difference,which is why I can still say the event has not been falsified.

JayW

How much archeological work has Martin done in Mesopotmia? Your still trying o pass a critics opinion off as fact. What makes His opinion better than the opinions of every archeologists that has been there?

In te second place I never sad anything about burden of proof. I gave a list of books that will prove what i say. if their not red I really don't care. Anyone who wants to lern can find the truth those who don't want to learn will continue to be critical of things they know nothing about.

Sheshonq

Not Martin -- Morton. He is a professional geologist with working knowledge of the area of the Mideast. Archaeology cannot help you if geography doesn't support a flood.

Wrong. I'm telling you that a professional with research experience in the area says that your pet hypothesis is wrong.

Morton is a christian, by the way - which you would know, if you hadn't just automatically assumed he was a critic.

"Every archaeologist"? Show me the names of these archaeologists who support your position on the flood.

I didn't claim that you did.
However, your question infers a burden of proof that doesn't exist.
So whether you state it out loud or not, the issue is still there - and you introduced it with your question.

And apparently you don't need to read anything - such as Glenn Morton's analysis - because you think you already know the truth.

MarkA

To the Sumerians the whole world was NOT Mesopotamia. The evidence of cylinder seals and trade goods show extensive contact between Sumer and the Indus valley as well as with Egypt from the earliest historical times.

If the Hebrews simply stole or borrowed the myth from the Sumerians through later intermediaries like the Babylonians, then presumably god did not make a covenent with Noah or his decendents who according to the Bible are all the people alive today therefore the religious elements in the story are lies.

If such an event occured in Mesopotamia, then why should all of Noah's decendents be the progenitors of the nations of the earth? After all, if it was just a local flood, even a catastrophic one, then there would be no need to repopulate the earth since there were still people around, even in Mesopotamia.

deadman_932

What flood in Mesopotamia? Give me a date on it, since you claim that "archaeologists all agree" And why didn't you deal with all the issues raised? Are you that afraid? By the way, as MarkA noted, we do know the Sumerians in particular traded with the Harrappans from the Indus...and the Egyptians. And Afghanistan for lapis lazuli.

What about the event of the Covenant ? Why are you making God into a liar?

Why didn't you answer what I asked about all men other than Noah and his group...being wicked and destroyed according to the Bible?

I mentioned several times how the Hebrew of the bible says exactly what I described...in fact, when it's dealing with the mountains being covered in all the lands under the heavens, the Hebrew uses a superlative form that basically means "ALL ALL the high mountains were covered" and this too, cannot be.

There was no "flood" that even approached the extent or the scale that the Bible claims, therefore you have now shown the Bible to be false in its claims. Congratulations.

Sheshonq

Did he ever produce a list of such archaeologists?
Ever?
In any post or thread?

Or is this just another drive-by poster with a lot of hot air, but no substance? Can't have too many of those, can we?

JayW

Apparantly it has if geologists say there hasn't been one,which is doubtful. I have already poste the nmes of books and their authors all of which are archeologists. One of those discovered a dead zone of silt eight feet thick. There was signs of activity above and below the dead layer. It was the only flood in that area of that magnitude,and one that apparantly was major enopugh to have been written about. In other words, all signs of life disappeared,and resumed again on top of the layer of silt.
If i can find something on the internet i will post it.If not i'll repost the books and archeologists again.

Sheshonq

It isn't doubtful - I gave you the link to the geologist's data showing that it isn't possible to have an area-wide flood. What excuse do you have for not reading it?

Fine. Post it again. Or post a link to your original post where you named these archaeologists. You remember your own posts, don't you?

Sounds like you're talking about the Black Sea hypothesis. That's not in Mesopotamia, you know. There are other reasons why it doesn't work.

Great. Make sure that the archaeologists support your specific point: that there was a regional flood in Mesopotamia that covered that whole area and formed the basis for the Noah's flood myth.

JayW

Sheshonq

Here's some of them.
Sir Leonard Woolley
1953 and Excavations at Ur: A Record of 12 Years’ Work, published in
1954.Ur of the Chaldees: A Record of Seven Years of Excavation.
The Sumerians (1928), Digging Up the Past (1930),
Ur of the Chaldees (1938, rev. ed. 1952),
A Forgotten Kingdom (1953, rev. ed. 1959),
Excavations at Ur (1954).

A. H. Layard
Nineveh and Its Remains, London 1849
Nineveh and Babylon, London 1853
The Stones of Assyria (1936

Kathleen Kenyon
1942 The Buildings at Samaria
1954 Guide to Ancient Jericho
1957 Digging Up Jericho
1960 Archaeology in the Holy Land,second edition 1965,third 1970
1966 Amorites and Canaanites
1978 The Bible and recent archaeology

That's the second time I've posted them, Do you suppose you could keep them somewhere you can find them.

When you finish those let me know. I have a lot more.