Dave31

Actually, he is almost as intellectually dishonest about her work as you guys are. Carrier has never read a single book of hers so, his views of her work are far from any "truth." But, I realize anything that trashes her passes as "truth" to you. He made some sloppy errors in his Luxor article as Acharya points out in her response.

Inscription at Luxor (Carrier vs Acharya S) updated with Acharya S's response

Toto

Dave31: the main reason we can't have an adult discussion on astrotheology may be that you can't do anything but complain and use loaded terms. Take some responsibility for presenting a point of view and discussing it rationally.

If you think others have misrepresented something, the remedy is to correct it with facts, not with scattershot accusations of bias, misogyny, or other modern sins.

Of course, it would help if Acharya S would admit some error, rather than just doubling down on her more unsupportable claims, such as the idea that the Pygmy's origin myths are more credible than Christians, or that Kersey Graves is more than a historical relic of theosophical imagination.

GakuseiDon

:huh: Who on earth is arguing about George Washington?

I am discussing Acharya S's work. I am quoting Acharya S. I am questioning her evidence and conclusions. Why not discuss it?

Let me repeat my question from the previous page. Quotes can be found there: http://www.freeratio.org/showpost.ph...&postcount=103

1. Hallet writes that his Pygmy friends had had no contact with the outside world for 4000 years (at which time they were visited by at least one Egyptian explorer), therefore they could not have picked up the Osiris-Isis-Horus and proto-Christ myth story elements from any outsider.

2. Acharya S traces the origins of those myths **before** 4000 years ago.

Therefore Hallet's conclusion is not valid. The Pygmies could well have picked up those myths from outsiders.

Am I correct?

ApostateAbe

Dave31, you disagreed with my assertion that, "Some time ago, he wanted to found a religion centered on the ideas of Acharya S..."

I retrieved a post that you made on your forum years ago (link). Here it is:

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I suppose that idea has long since fallen by the wayside, but that is what I was referring to.

ApostateAbe

"Besides, she [Acharya S] even stated in the recent radio interview with Price that Christ Conspiracy was never written for scholars."

Dave31, I personally believe that authors need to be held accountable for claiming that the Aztec god Quetzacoatl was mythically homologous to Jesus. I don't think it makes a big difference if the intended audience was not scholars. Maybe it would make a difference if the intended audience was a comedy club. What do you think?

aa5874

You have used the NT to show that Jesus the Creator of heaven and earth and God Incarnate was just a man and NOT the Child of a Ghost.

Why is NOT the NT the writings of COMEDIANS?

In the NT Jesus TRANSFIGURED before he was crucified.

Why do you take the NT so serious when it is FULL of Comic Relief?

Who were the intended audience for what appears to be a Space Alien in the NT?

Dave31

LOL, that is simply not at all what you tried to claim it was. It's the complete opposite of what you claimed it was ... it had nothing to do with creating a new religion in any way whatsoever and anyone with a brain cell can see that. I'll waste no time with you on that. You just proved, once again, how dishonest you are.

Dave31

LOL, right it's all my fault isn't Toto? What a joke ... even the very title you gave this thread is geared towards smearing Acharya S "Acharya S, pygmies and space aliens, etc. split from Is Mythicism now Mainstream?" Here, you just had to create a new thread insinuating Acharya believes pygmies are space aliens even though GDon already has a thread on that. You even removed my comment, the original post in this thread, which was on topic there and a response to a comment by Earl Doherty. There were other threads where the title called Acharya's supporters "cult members." ALL of the Pygmy trash by GDon and AAbe should go into that one thread by GDon. Would you please merge this thread with that one? I get tired of having to repeat how, where and why they're wrong.

Complain? Hell yeah I complain - somebody has to have the integrity and honesty to point out the blatant intellectual dishonesty and fundamentalist pseudo-skepticism going on here aimed at Acharya. Maybe, if the mods and others here called them out for such low level of dishonesty the issue would cease. But, so long as it's directed at Acharya S it appears to be quite welcome here even by Richard Carrier has done it too.

I have many times but it is ignored because it's inconvenient to people like GakuseiDon and ApostateAbe to name a couple. They have absolutely no interest in intellectual honesty and the proof of that is all over this forum. It's nearly impossible to have a decent discussion here on her work without GDon or AAbe bringing in their trash and baggage and they've been doing it for like 7 or 8 years yet, they're still using those same old, worn out criticisms to bludgeon her to death even though they've been shown to be wrong years ago.

That's just dumb. She has admitted error when she has actually been in error and she has always made the necessary adjustments. The trash by GakuseiDon, ApostateAbe and even you doesn't always pan out the way you'd like to believe it does. And, like many fundamentalist Christians, no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever suffice for you guys. That's just intellectually dishonest, fundamentalist pseudo-skeptics for ya. It's no improvement over fundy theists.

In the book she also cites Dr. John Jackson:

Why aren't GDon and AAbe attacking Dr. Jackson? What other works have they studied regarding the Pygmies ... NONE! None of you have made any attempt to even read the book by Dr. Jean-Pierre Hallet. It just proves that you guys have zero interest in the Pygmies or work by anyone else on them. No, it's only used here as something to attack and smear Acharya S even though her book was not about Pygmies. In her article below, she has made it categorically clear that she brought it up at the end of the book as an area of interest and that more research needs to be done. It's just basic common sense but, you, GDon and AAbe simply refuse to accept that fact due to severe biases and prejudice.

Pygmies in The Christ Conspiracy

LOL, see what GDon and AAbe have done to you? Those aren't her claims, she is citing others. Again, she brought it up at the end of the book as an area of interest and that more research needs to be done. I realize that destroys GDon's entire premise in his smear campaign against Acharya on the Pygmies. It just proves that the intellectually dishonest and fundamentalist pseudo-skepticism has become such a rampant habit around here that it has become the norm. Again, this is an improvement over fundy theists, how?

The Kersey Graves issue has been addressed long ago.

Toto

Dave, I think you just proved my point. You have lots of bluster, not a lot of calm, rational discussion. You keep claiming that you demonstrated something at some unspecified time in the past, but you can't give us a link or a summary.

No one has claimed that Pygmies are space aliens. But the "Pygmy origin of all religion" and space aliens part of a pattern of uncritical scholarship.

You can find a source that claims the Pygmies have the myths you claim, but is it credible? Is the claim that the Pygmies had no contact with Christian missionaries at all credible? No. And have you addressed those issues, rather than go on about fundy pseudoskeptics? Not at all. You think you can just repeat one paragraph and ignore pointed questions.

I don't know what your relationship is to Acharya S, but she needs a better spokesperson, someone who can play the game of internet debate.

hjalti

That's a hilarious sentence