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Old 01-02-2009, 01:08 PM   #21
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I am not sure that I understand what these guys are saying. How would the Jews (who sent Saul out to put Christians in jail and sought to eradicate any memory of Jesus) allow a man who was a devoted follower of Christ to enter the Temple and in particular, the Holy of Holies? Something is off here. I don't think these guys actually meant to say that the Jews allowed James to enter the temple in Jerusalem. Or, if James did attempt to do so, it would have certainly resulted in his immediate death at the hands of the Jews. I think there is something missing from your account.
You need to read "James the brother of Jesus" if you haven't already. James was the high priest of the zealots (Jesus had several zealots in his cadre... James is possibly "the teacher of righteousness" referred to in the DSS) that took control of the temple in 66CE.
I heard that hypothesis before... but the DSS writings were written sometime around 100 BCE by the Essenes. This puts James as the Teacher of Righteousness in the same time period as "Yeshua ha-Notzri" the sorcerer hanged on the eve of Passover according to the Talmud, not during the reign of Tiberius.
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You need to read "James the brother of Jesus" if you haven't already. James was the high priest of the zealots (Jesus had several zealots in his cadre... James is possibly "the teacher of righteousness" referred to in the DSS) that took control of the temple in 66CE.
I heard that hypothesis before... but the DSS writings were written sometime around 100 BCE by the Essenes. This puts James as the Teacher of Righteousness in the same time period as "Yeshua ha-Notzri" the sorcerer hanged on the eve of Passover according to the Talmud, not during the reign of Tiberius.
Eisenman addresses this also. He says that the internal evidence better supports that much of the DSS literature was contemporaneous with the Roman occupation.
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I heard that hypothesis before... but the DSS writings were written sometime around 100 BCE by the Essenes. This puts James as the Teacher of Righteousness in the same time period as "Yeshua ha-Notzri" the sorcerer hanged on the eve of Passover according to the Talmud, not during the reign of Tiberius.
Eisenman addresses this also.
Actually, Eisenman doesn't address very much at all. He tends to wear his readers down through endless repetition intertwined with textual materials vaguely related to what he is repeating. You don't get time to see how the data actually relates to his thesis because he's too busy sending more at you mixed with repetition.

I think he basically said it all with his James the Just and the Habbakuk Pesher, but, hey, he gets paid to publish -- even doorstoppers such as James the Brother of Jesus. I can't begrudge him the cash.

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He says that the internal evidence better supports that much of the DSS literature was contemporaneous with the Roman occupation.
The sad thing is that as the Pesher Habbakuk comes in with a pre first century C14 dating, his thesis has been falsified, so Eisenman tries to tacks, first he back-peddles from the James = ToR claim and he supports weird C14 analyses such as the one his name is attached to along with Joe Atwill which try to place the C14 data into a different context. Both are pretty vain.


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Eusebius quotes Heggesippus:

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James, the brother of the Lord,
succeeded to the government of the Church in conjunction with the apostles
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He has been called the Just by all from the time of our Saviour to the present day; for there were many that bore the name of James.

He was holy from his mother's womb;
and he drank no wine nor strong drink,
nor did he eat flesh.
No razor came upon his head;
he did not anoint himself with oil,
and he did not use the bath.
He alone was permitted to enter into the holy place; for he wore not woolen but linen garments….
(from Eusebius, "Church History", Book 2, chapter 23)
I have argued before that this quotation is evidence that James was much more than a legalist, but was actually a Jewish High Priest. We can leave that aside since I only wish Christians to explain how they get a non-legalistic James out of these quotations.

Jerome, in his "Lives of Illustrious Men", also quotes this bit from Heggesippus, but where Eusebius lacks clarity with "he alone was permitted to enter the Holy Place", Jerome specifies "he alone was permitted to enter the "Holy of Holies", leaving no wiggle room for apologists to suggest that James only entered the outer court of the Holy Place, the less sacred part of the temple not exclusive to the High Priest…
According to both Eusebius and Jerome, it appears that Hegesippus believed James was high priest because of his piety, possibly part of what sounds like a lifetime Nazirite vow. However, in the 1st century the High Priest was largely a political appointment made by the reigning “governor” of Judea (either Archelaus, Herod Agrippa I, the Roman prefects and procurators, or, lastly, the rebels in control of Jerusalem during the war of 67-70 CE.) Yes, the High Priest participated in the temple rituals, particularly at Yom Kippur, but the holder of the position was also an administrator expected by the Romans and the Herodians to act as their representative in ensuring the orderly functioning of the temple and its environs. Also, lists of High Priests of the 1st century, such as the one found on pg 492 of VanderKam’s From Joshua to Caiaphas (or via: amazon.co.uk), make no mention of anyone named James (or Yaakov, Jacob, etc.) as High Priest.

Finally, if James in fact “did not use the bath” as indicated by Hegesippus, then this would seem to rule out the possibility that James was the High Priest, since ritual immersion was an integral part of the rites required of the High Priest before entering the Holy of Holies on Yom Kippur. In fact, it would seem that the basic requirements of ritual purity would prevent anyone who did not bathe from participation in the temple rites at any level.
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Josephus in the infamous James passage (AJ 20.200 (20.9.1)) says that James died at the impetus of Ananus the high priest. Josephus also tells us that Ananus replaced Joseph Cami (AJ 20.103 (20.5.2)). Hegesippus is probably and piously mistaken.


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