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Old 01-17-2005, 02:27 AM   #201
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The morality of the Bible is open for interpretation if you constantly ask yourself why is this relevant.
If it's open for interpretation, than it's relative, not absolute (what you claimed above).

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The science of the Bible is the same way. Everything in the Bible should be interpreted in this manner. What was wrong with the tower of Babylon? Why did God feel the need to make everyone not understand everyone else?
Sorry, doesn't this question presuppose that god indeed make everyone this way?

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In Tolkien's classics or in Shakespeare you will see their interpretation of the world. When you read them, you will automatically know if you agree or disagree. The Bible is more like your mother telling you not to touch the stove when it is on.
This still does not answer my question why we even need the bible. As I said, the Lord of the Rings made me think more about killing than the bible.

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Then you are hating the deed, and not the group that that school board member is a part of.
You are equivocating between "attacking" and "hating". Which simply are not the same.
Attacking someone is right in some cases.
Hating someone may be "right" in some cases - but certainly in much less cases.
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Old 01-17-2005, 12:37 PM   #202
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If it's open for interpretation, than it's relative, not absolute (what you claimed above).
The interpretation of the Bible comes from a better understanding of the world. If God says don't touch fire. The literal translation would be to stay away from fire. The interpretive translation from an understanding of fire would be that we should not touch fire because it will burn us, but we can use it to help us as long as we are careful.

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Sorry, doesn't this question presuppose that god indeed make everyone this way?
There is always a reason, for everything that God says.

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This still does not answer my question why we even need the bible. As I said, the Lord of the Rings made me think more about killing than the bible.
The Bible documents what is Absolute Truth.

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You are equivocating between "attacking" and "hating". Which simply are not the same.
Attacking someone is right in some cases.
Hating someone may be "right" in some cases - but certainly in much less cases.
Attacking is an action and hating is a motivation. It is correct to oppose the school board member based upon the school board member's deed.
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Old 01-17-2005, 01:10 PM   #203
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The Bible documents what is Absolute Truth.
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If that's the case. the God is a psychopathic monster that deserves extermination, not worship.
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Old 01-17-2005, 01:28 PM   #204
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The interpretation of the Bible comes from a better understanding of the world.
Right. Once you understand the world better and realize the Earth was not created in 6 days and dead men can't come back to life, it is certainly much easier to interpret the Bible.
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The interpretation of the Bible comes from a better understanding of the world. If God says don't touch fire. The literal translation would be to stay away from fire. The interpretive translation from an understanding of fire would be that we should not touch fire because it will burn us, but we can use it to help us as long as we are careful.
Taking this position seems to be almost identical to making up your own mind without need to reference the bible.
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Old 01-17-2005, 09:51 PM   #206
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Just taking a shot at answering the OP.

Because error is intrinsically more interesting that accuracy. An accurate claim matches reality, no tension, no drama, ...it makes for a boring story. But with error you get reality and a different description altogether. That's already more to think about than accuracy, but when you add the tension between the description and the reality, you get the elements of a genuine plot line. That's why people are often more interested in the things they don't believe than the things they do believe. Now add to this the fact that the errors of Christianity are tied to substantial features of Western society and you have a drama with a morale to the story. All the reason we migt ever need to discuss this "God" some people believe in.
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Old 01-18-2005, 04:41 AM   #207
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1950s McCarthyism is another (perhaps better) example. The question, "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communisty party" has some of the same connotations as "Are you saved/born again?" The cold-war hysteria that the communists were bent on taking over the world and that the atom bombs could start falling at any minute had all the characteristics of a religious hysteria, where "democracy vs. communism" stands in for "god vs satan," and of course anyone who might take a look at communism and think maybe it's not all that bad has been "decieved" by propaganda, or should be shunned for his lack of faith in the founding fathers and democracy as the only way to whatever.
Not a good example. If you do a little research you'll learn that most of the people McCarthy accussed were communists, and the Soviets were not interested in being our friends. Stalin killed the same as Hitler.

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Old 01-18-2005, 04:53 AM   #208
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The interpretation of the Bible comes from a better understanding of the world. If God says don't touch fire. The literal translation would be to stay away from fire. The interpretive translation from an understanding of fire would be that we should not touch fire because it will burn us, but we can use it to help us as long as we are careful.
Understanding the world means that there is no need to refer to the bible. Prior to the bible, people didn't know that fire burned?

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There is always a reason, for everything that God says.
But the bible is full of the words of humans who claim to have communicated with "God". Apparently, you don't seem to have noticed the problem with verifying any of this.

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The Bible documents what is Absolute Truth.
Mary, by virgin birth, gave birth to a boy (did "God" provide the Y chromosome?). Adam & Eve had two sons and started the human race (actually that could be true but it doesn't bear thinking about. 'Darnit Bobby now you and mother will have to get married'), woman was created from a rib, and so on. Do you want "the truth" or "the truth"?
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Taking this position seems to be almost identical to making up your own mind without need to reference the bible.
Exactly, it is almost identical. The Bible is a hint book and not a cheat book. In Leviticus, it is stated that incest is a sexual perversion, and then it goes on about punishing the perverts. It doesn't exactly state why they are, just that they are. It doesn't mention that incest leads to complications of future children sired. It just states that it is wrong.
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