judge

Well this is definitely starting to send me to sleep now. So I wish you all the best with your idea
And if you ever come up with that analysis you claimed to have done, you wanted me to look at, then I may just do so.

aa5874

It is not true at all that the Gospels, especially the Synoptics, depended on Paul.

The Synoptics Jesus story ENDS where the Pauline revelations BEGIN.

The teachings of the Gospel Jesus END at the resurrection but the teachings of Paul from Jesus START AFTER the resurrection.


Paul's Jesus was a resurrected DEAD, equal to God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and could save the world from their sin, as the writer declared in virtually EVERY single writing under his name.

Galatians 1, Colossians 1, Ephesians 1 and Philippians 2 Clearly show that Paul's Jesus was non-historical, a FIGMENT of his imagination, visions, hallucinations, madness and fiction.

What human could have a brother who was the Creator of heaven and earth and equal to God.

Galatians 1.19 is madness and irrelevant.

spin

It's typical that you ignored the content part of the post. That's now par for the course. Thing is, judge, you wouldn't know whether I have already done so or not, because you have assiduously refused to understand and thus be able to consider the analysis.


spin

judge

How would you know? You wouldn't. Because I have chosen not to reply to some points, you then go and invent a story in your head about why. A story which you find comfortable perhaps?
The thing is, sometimes I choose not to reply, because I consider that the best course of action.

Now you asked me whether I had considered your analysis. I asked you where it was.
Rather than invent these stories , why not just link to or present your anlaysis?
And if you anlysis is not complete then link to what you have done, or complete it, then present it?

aa5874

When one examines the Jesus of Paul it becomes extremely clear that Galatians 1.19 is completely irrelevant. Whether or not a person was called James cannot alter the madness of the Pauline writer. His description of the [B]LORD Jesus is completely fictional and irrational.

Examine the description of the LORD Jesus in Colosians.

Col 1:12-18 What myth!

The LORD Jesus was the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God.

What an image!

The LORD Jesus was the FIRSTBORN from the DEAD.

What a birth!

The DEAD gave birth to the Pauline Jesus.

The Pauline writer was a MAD liar.

And he is not finished yet, the FIRSTBORN from the DEAD was the Creator of everything in heaven and earth.

It is almost certain that Paul was a MAD FICTION writer. Galatians 1.19 is irrelevant.

spin

Your lips move.

That's when you say stuff like:

Of the many times Paul uses kurios to refer to Jesus you have one lonely instance of possible interpolation.

Whole communications wasted.

There's safety in silence.

You're being wishful.

What dreams may come...

Yeah, got that.

And I advise you to read more carefully.

If I've already put information in posts that you blithely ignore, links have even less hope.

Why not ask your brothers SayNoEvil and HearNoEvil for help?


spin

judge

Ok

Well you might be . :devil1:

Actually Paul uses Theos for god 8 times in just the first chapter of galatians.
Why did you ignore this?

Possibly

We only think, or you only think?

If Paul meant god then he woyuld have used theos as he does 8 times in just the first chapter of galatians and again throughout.
Why are you hiding this fact?

No because if paul menat god he woyuld have used the word he uses for god in the surrounding verses.
Eight times in just the first chapter. Why do you keep hiding this fact?

In fact paul shows that he probably in all likelihood does not mean god by using kurios instead of theos.

All you are doing is cherry picking data, hiding the facts that show your theory to be nonsense.

dogsgod

In Galatians Paul says his gospel comes from no man, and that would include a Jesus of Nazareth, a Jesus that Paul never mentions. He also says he was not taught it, that it comes from revelations, visions of a risen Christ, and he holds Peter and James in contempt, so it seems unlikely that Peter and James knew anymore than Paul did. Paul also claims in Galatians that Peter's apostleship was appointed by God, just as his own was. This all can be found in the same letter that says James, brother of the Lord. If Paul means a literal blood brother of the Jesus, Christ and savior he has revelations of, it goes against everything else he says.

judge

Then again, maybe Paul was trying to confuse his readers rather than communicate.

1.In verse 3 he uses kurios to refer to Jesus.

2. No less than eight times he refers to god a theos in the first chapter!

3.Then Spin would have us believe that in verse 19 he suddenly starts using kurios to refer to god even though he has only just used it to refer to Jesus!

maybe Paul was just trying to confuse rather than communicate.


1Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God (theos) the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2and all the brothers with me,
3Grace and peace to you from God(theos) our Father and the Lord(kurios) Jesus Christ, 4who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God(theos) and Father, 5to whom be glory for ever and ever
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
10Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God(theos)? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
11I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
13For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God(theos) and tried to destroy it. 14I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15But when God(theos), who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased 16to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, 17nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.

18Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days. 19I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord(kurios)'s brother. 20I assure you before God(theos) that what I am writing you is no lie. 21Later I went to Syria and Cilicia. 22I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. 23They only heard the report: "The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy." 24And they praised God(theos) because of me.

judge

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